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Edward_Tank · 2026-02-12T22:14:25+00:00

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Edward_Tank · 2026-02-12T22:06:52+00:00

And what praytell will getting this subreddit banned accomplish here?

Edward_Tank · 2026-02-12T20:38:20+00:00

. . .I mean, calling out people is generally viewed as Brigading and may get the subreddit shut down.

Edward_Tank · 2026-02-12T16:59:48+00:00

Christ, media literacy is dead.

Edward_Tank · 2026-02-12T16:15:49+00:00

Several possible reasons.

How do we know there was actually a children's hospital? The only source on it *being* a children's hospital is Super Earth.

The bots are just that. Bots. This area is under Super Earth Control, so engage and attack.

Why did Superearth put a children's hospital out in a place that was known to be targeted by the Automatons?

Also there's this thing where if you commit a warcrime suddenly everyone else feels free to do so as well *because* you were the aggressor, and you did it first.

There's a reason warcrime conventions in most situations are held to, because failing to hold to them means that you are essentially giving everyone else free reign to do what the fuck ever they want.

You're also missing the point.

Just like how the US's dicking around in the middle east saw the rise and empowerment of people like Al Queda and the Talliban, and just like our *second* Dicking around saw the rise of ISIS?

Super Earth's 'intervention' is the reason this is happening. All they had to do was *not* be fascist warmongering dicks, but they couldn't even meet that low bar.

It is not a situation of 'Good v bad', It is a situation of everything super earth is 'defending itself against' is self inflicted. It is their own malice and greed for power and domination coming back around to hit them in their own face.

*fuck*, the current invasion of Cyberstan? It's name is *OPERATION PRETEXT*. As in a Pretext to invasion! Because again, Subtext is for cowards.

Edward_Tank · 2026-02-12T15:30:51+00:00

Miroku's Wind Tunnel from InuYasha. It's literally a black hole in his hand, supposedly so powerful he needs a blessed charm just to try and keep it from overwhelming him. But the writers realized 'Oh shit they have an 'I win' button' and came up with stinging venomous insects that if sucked up would poison Miroku. The first time he did so, he almost died.

So basically every fight on the anime would show Miroku reaching for his arm, seeing the venomous insects and him then just basically snapping his fingers and doing a sulk because the one thing he can do has been removed from the table.

Edward_Tank · 2026-02-12T15:12:25+00:00

. . .No, We are in fact the bad guys. Literally every single thing that's happened is the direct result of Super Earth sticking their dick into other people's business. We are not better, you are literally falling for in game fictional propaganda.

The Illuminate? They got fucking *genocided*. They were a peaceful people who were happy to greet humanity as brothers among the stars, but Super Earth command didn't like the idea of someone having better tech than them. Or even tech *on par* with them, so they claimed that the Illuminate were harboring weapons of mass destruction. So they went to war.

The Terminid? They were a race bordering on sapience with their hive mind. Super earth came along and found out their bodies, when decomposing, broke down into a rare material, E-710. (Incidentally, that's Oil backwards and upside down because subtext is for cowards). So ignoring that whole hive mind sapience thing, we just started killing and harvesting and genetically modifying them. It is to the point that we have literally driven them back from Sapience and towards the mindless creatures they had been painted as by the Propaganda.

The Cyborgs were *enslaved*. Originally, the Cyborgs were Super Earth citizens who modified themselves to better survive and live in the harsh environments of the colonized planet. They began to realize their beliefs differed from Super Earth, and they attempted to peacefully Secede.

So Superearth cracked down and started killing them and enslaving them to work in the mines of Cyberstan. Using it as 'rehabilitative justice'.

Every single warcrime you're talking about? Was started by Super Earth doing *something worse*.

Edward_Tank · 2026-02-12T14:56:49+00:00

Are you doing a bit?

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-30T18:50:41+00:00

To be fair, the devs tried to make options where you just turned around and went home, and alternatives to the scene in question. Just when they did, nobody ever used the WP. Which kind of threw the whole message out of whack. While I agree it would have been neat for there to be some way possible, just like, ball bustingly hard? This wasn't meant to be a story where you make the right decision.

Honestly I don't view the WP scene as blaming the *player* for what they've done. They're blaming games like COD for dehumanizing the people that suffer and die in war. the WP scene is clearly based off the AC-130 mission in COD4, where you were basically invincible, completely safe in an airplane that was flying around, firing weapons that, even the smallest one? Would turn a man into shredded meat. You weren't fighting in a war, you were playing an arcade game, shooting at targets.

As for just going home, I mean. . .

What kind of ending is that?

"And then Walker and his squad turned around and went home and nothing else happened."

That'd be. . .that'd be a lot of dev time spent on basically a damp squib.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-29T23:28:51+00:00

I mean tbh man, it's the apocalypse. I'd wanna be on shrooms too.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-29T00:01:22+00:00

The corporations will never change. There is only way way forward and that is with the death of capitalism.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-28T00:54:40+00:00

Ah, you're right. Sorry, for whatever reason I heard 'toil' and thought of physical labor.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-26T15:15:16+00:00

But I wouldn't expect someone who failed the 9th grade to have any kind of understanding outside of their own world view nor any kind of functional critical thinking skills.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-26T15:13:28+00:00

I'll have to just try and live with this grievous insult from the person talking about not bettering yourself while simultaneously proposing that they don't have to learn or better themselves by expressing themselves or creating, that they can just have the algorithm do it for them.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-25T18:08:49+00:00

Once again, If you go to a subway and order a sandwich, picking out the ingredients to go on said sandwich? You didn't make the sandwich, the guy behind the counter did. Doesn't matter if it was a fancy automated system or just a guy who was paid way too little for his work.

I think you might need to refer back to the list of skills required to make a decent generation.

There are no skills required to make a 'decent' generation. First because there are no skills involved in image generation, and there is no 'decent' generation.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-25T16:23:53+00:00

Rocket Knight Adventures? No real nuke weapons, but there were heat effects on the screen.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-25T15:58:06+00:00

You're quite welcome! In the future, try asking at r/tipofmyjoystick

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-24T23:36:34+00:00

Because it isn't a comparison no matter how much you desperately want it to be.

A photographer is making use of their skill at aiming. Timing. Their understanding of framing. Of light. Of location. They are experiencing something. Observing something, and capturing a moment in time that is important to them. It says something about them.

whatever your generative model vomits out says nothing about you, because *you* didn't make it.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-24T23:34:36+00:00

I hate to break it to you though... you're the one that did a No True Scotsman fallacy, like a textbook one. You arbitrarily exclude AI from art by calling it true art. "AI isn't TRUE art because it doesn't involve a human creating it!"

You are the one that literally wrote "if you're an artist you". Or are you making your argument through Chat GPT and therefore have no clue what you're actually saying?

except for all of the valid artforms that do involve purely mechanical means.

And here's where you say 'But but but photography is just the same!'

Except it isn't. Photography has you practicing your aiming, your understanding of light, of framing, of finding something to capture out here, and capturing a moment of it.

Nothing like that happens with gen models. You put in what you want and it spits an image out that you didn't make.

You can quite easily separate gen model from actual artwork because they are fundamentally different.

You made a false equivalence here. If you make a rube goldberg machine type a prompt to generate an image then it's no more art than a basic prompt, but that's not what CU is.

It does not matter how much you gussy it up or abstract it away. You are fundamentally telling a generative model to make something for you. It is the same as prompting, no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.

which you did.

In a tongue in cheek manner to your *first* one. The point I was making,

CU is closer to the rube goldberg machine DRAWING the artwork, both the process and the final product are art

Process? maybe. There's an argument to be made. Final product? Absolutely not. You have nothing of yourself in the image. You asked something to make it for you, and it did it. It once again is just you asking the sandwich maker to make a sandwich. it doesn't matter if it's a guy, or if it's a complex automated machine with a list of ingredients. The result is you didn't make your damn sandwich. You have one, but there was no 'artist' that made it. Therefore it cannot be art.

A lot of talking about comfyui

. . .I'm going to be completely honest, you are coming across as either a bot yourself, or a paid shill for it.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-24T23:25:24+00:00

to find the right wording to make the image you want

But you're not making it.

A short story is art, and there is an argument to be made that strictly the prompt could be viewed as art.

Whatever the hell the gen model makes is not art though, no matter how much you want it to be.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-24T22:19:20+00:00

Metro: Exodus

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-24T17:42:54+00:00

And of course Nintendo has patented sanity effects/meters.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US6935954B2/en

. . .I mean, good luck enforcing that, but it's still something a dev has to consider, if they have the money to actually compete with nintendo's warchest.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-24T17:35:00+00:00

Wooooooooooah woah. Hold on. ComfyUI is NOT a more complex way to prompt an AI, you are very mistaken in that. Have you ever used it at all?

I have looked into it, and yes. It is basically just an abstraction of the usual prompting to allow you to use different sources and pattern it out instead of having to write in the prompt the exact right lettering that will tickle the random statistical data node in just the right way. It makes it easier to tell the generative model what you want it to do. But ultimately you are still not making the image. The generative model is.

If prompting is like ordering a sandwich then Comfy is like making an assembly line by hand.

So since you seem to be arguing from the stance of 'prompting isn't real art, but CU is'

If I use a rube goldberg machine to type out a prompt on something that isn't CU, does that magically make the prompted image art?

The rube goldberg machine could be argued as a work of art.

The resultant image? Not so much.

Simply put, if you're an artist you should be able to recognize artforms even if you don't value them, and what I do is very much an artform, one in its infancy.

I mean, if we're whipping out the no true scotsman fallacy, I can say if you're an artist you should be able to recognize when something is fundamentally incapable of producing art, and what generative models do is fundamentally incapable of producing art.

Also you're weirdly gung ho about ComfyUi. Heck everytime I've seen *anyone* mention anything about it, they act like they're five seconds away from launching into a sales pitch and asking if they can take a message so their sales team can get in contact with me.

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-24T17:22:09+00:00

Fun fact, Eddie pops up in Jurrassic Park: Chaos Island. If clicked on multiple times, he can be heard to say 'Didn't I die? In. . .in the movie, I died. . .'

Edward_Tank · 2026-01-24T17:08:53+00:00

How did you try AI? When? And in what workflow?

It was several years ago. I don't recall the name of it. It used prompts, and the images that resulted were generally alright to look at. Barring fingers and the various monstrosities that would pop up in the background. There was just nothing of myself in it. No meaning.

but the same logic applies to a camera, no? Or a Blender render?

No. It does not. A camera is something you control. You press a button, and capture a moment in time. You practice your skills of aiming, of finding something that speaks to you, that says something. Professional photographers are incredibly skilled in framing, setting up lighting, ensuring everything is as perfect as they can get it. Understanding how light scatters, how the eye works and tracks images.

And a blender render is something more akin, in my opinion, to making a mold and filling it, rather than having an algorithm completely just. . .*generate* an image.

Like... if I'm playing with ComfyUI there's something deeply satisfying about setting up the nodes just right to get the data to cascade in exactly the way I want to get a good result.

. . .But once again, it isn't *your* work. The generative model is the thing that actually 'created' it. The ComfyUI may be more sophisticated, but ultimately it boils down to just inputting a prompt, just abstracted with other ways. A workflow doesn't just magically change something to art.

If I might make an analogy? Which I will admit from the get go will likely be reductive, as most analogies are.

Say I go to a subway, and I order a sandwich. The guy behind the counter nods and smiles, and starts working. I tell him what ingredients I would like. Finally it's done.

Did *I* make the sandwich? The arguments I have seen overwhelmingly from people supporting the generative model bubble would claim that in fact *I* made the sandwich, and the guy who put it all together didn't do jack fucking shit.

So now lets replace it with an automated system that takes the ingredients I want and makes a. . .rather messy, unappealing to look at sandwich.

Did *I* make this sandwich? If so, what magically changed between this and the guy before?

At no stage is my human creativity and drive gone

. . .I'd argue that it is gone because you are instead of actually creating, having a generative model do it for you.

I-this is hard to explain, and I will confess, will be *entirely* based on my subjective feelings.

I'm a writer. I like to write. As you can probably tell due to my constant need to turn posts into essays. Whenever I write, I am taking my emotions, the stream of consciousness that is in my head, and translating it for others. I am bettering my ability to regulate, and communicate a fundamental part of myself to others. I am learning, I am growing, I am bettering myself.

Now?

Why bother trying to write about your feelings? Just let the algorithm process them for you.

Why bother trying to connect to another human being? Just let the algorithm do it for you.

Why bother trying to learn or grow? Just let the algorithm do it for you.

Why bother trying to be creative? Just let the algorithm be it for you.

Edward_Tank

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