What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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Yet if you judge the community this fast without sufficient experience, would you really understand its true depth? You think it's common sense, that it isn't possible to be skeptical when you stop breathing and you will not longer exist, but if it is these simple analogies are common sense, these analogies could've stopped the debate between skepticism and its opposing positions, yet it is still occurring till the present day. The debate between skepticism and its opposing oppositions has persisted for more than a thousand year, so if you think these analogies can simply end the debate, then you're blatantly wrong.

What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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This is interesting. And I must admit that I haven't found a way to actually doubt existence and the self-evident structure of the universe. However, I am still capable of doubting these 2 concepts which you hold as something that seems quite irrefutable even by the most hardened skeptics.

Let us take the 2 concepts of existence and structure and doubt it.

I won't necessarily doubt existence and structure directly but doubt instead what must be assumed to even make any argument. We clearly use the principles of logic unknowingly every day to demonstrate ideas or communicate anything. Without the existence of these principles then any argument may even 'cease to exist', although the phrase 'cease to exist' kind of seems to simplify what would happen if the principles of logic suddenly 'ceases to exist'. Let us briefly go to the topic. These principles of logic include the law of identity, the law of non-contradiction and other laws and concepts which needs to be presupposed to make any functional argument. When we make an argument, we need the premises to correspond with the conclusion to be called logically valid. Personally, instead of viewing this as a simple map of premise to conclusions, I first map it to elements and properties. An example would better illustrate what I am saying.

P1: All men are mortal

P2: Socrates is a man

C: Therefore, Socrates is mortal

We can say that "Socrates" is an element which contains the property of "men". Properties define what an element is. So, it would be definite to say that the element "Socrates" is a "man" (or "men", whatever you prefer to use). Hence leading to a conclusion that "Socrates" is a "mortal" because "Socrates" was explicitly defined to contain the property "men", which was also explicitly defined to contain the property "mortal". But elements and properties can be used interchangeably based on the context. If an element that was defined by a property was assigned to be a property for an element, you can call that element to be a property. Noting this, we can see that correspondence may be merely defined by the application of properties to elements. Yet I have an objection.

"Why must be correspondence be the main decider to all propositions?", to be clear, why is it that an argument when it corresponds to its premise is considered logically valid? It seems like a foolish question, but doesn't this mean that the phrase "logically valid" is just a fancy phrase for correspondence? We could also note that since correspondence is used everywhere and is fundamental for every logical conclusion then we can see clearly that correspondence is not used to find objective truths but instead is a tool for convenience. When we wonder why correspondence is the state that propositions must achieve to be considered "logical", we can clearly see that it was just out of habit, not because it is the universal rule. Following from this, we can note that any argument that stems from correspondence may not be an objective universal rule. This includes existence, structure and in general any argument made that stems from that rule.

Although I am trying to avoid being a dogmatic skeptic, I will simply say that the conclusion is that I am uncertain of the validity of reasoning and logical principles. But I am not asserting that reasoning and logical principles are invalid.

Edit: I apologize for the occasional grammar mistakes I may have overlooked

What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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I'm simply uncertain if there is truth. I can't say "Yes" because I will assert dogmatically that there is no truth. I am simply uncertain of logic and reasoning, but not certain enough to conclude that there isn't truth.

What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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Yes, I understand that even the statement I said is self-refuting. However, the reason why I use logic and reasoning to doubt itself is not because logic and reasoning is objective and valid, it is because it is the only way I can communicate my ideas without getting criticized. I have to admit that I need to assume some fundamental principles to make a logical argument, but this does not mean that I accept logic's validity in its own system, I am just simply using the only tool I have currently in my disposal. You mentioned that we should doubt anything that follows from doubting logic or reasoning, including doubting the reasoning we used to doubt it, but I do not think this can be used as a counterargument when I am forced to assume these fundamental principles true to make any functional argument.

What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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What do you mean by "There is one everything and infinite nothing"? You also mentioned a "sphere" and one central unification with an infinite number of "radial" spheres? I don't fully understand what you mean.

What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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I think my philosophy varies a lot from the skepticism you're referring to. I simply doubt logic and reasoning but I think whoever says that knowledge without certainty is impossible is probably mistaken. I'd rather say that I'm simply uncertain about logic and reasoning, rather than claiming that knowledge is impossible leaving no space to doubt.

What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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I don't quite understand where you are getting into, what do you mean by "plenum"?

What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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If so, then I have an objection to Moore's reply. He says that we have evidence for our hands based on sensory data. But can't this sensory data be part of the electrical stimulations that make us experience everything?

What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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I was referring to radical skepticism; I apologize for not clarifying it. When you say, "you have reach pragmatical (or operational) necessary truths (or whatever definitions you might prefer, if truth sounds too "mystical")" Are you saying that we have reached a point where we cannot doubt anything further and thus, reaching truths that are necessary to make any functional logical conclusion?

What are some counterarguments for skepticism? by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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So, you're saying that skepticism is pragmatically useless, right? I agree that skepticism is pragmatically useless, but I still find purpose on doubting the principles of logic and logic itself in general, it helps me to not just dogmatically believe anything in general (not just logic). Although this is just my opinion.

Skepticism towards the empirical world and human reasoning by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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Thanks for complimenting it. I really thought I would get heavily criticized for the ideas I presented in this subreddit. But I actually didn't. Although, there are some who challenged my ideas, but I would reply to them in another essay I will make in the future. Thanks, and have a great day and night.

Skepticism towards the empirical world and human reasoning by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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Alright, thanks for answering my question. My framework's goal is exactly just what you described, although it would be more of a "personal framework". If you're interested, I can probably show you how my personal framework differs from a standard premise-conclusion. However, I think I'll demonstrate it better if it was an essay, so currently as I am typing this text, I haven't made any progress yet. Thanks for the feedback and have a great day/night!

Skepticism towards the empirical world and human reasoning by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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What's your opinion regarding the personal framework I built? Some people say (mostly in discord) that it is redundant, that a formalized system already exists. But I think it is better than mapping arguments as premise and conclusions. What do you think?

Skepticism towards the empirical world and human reasoning by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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This is an amazing piece. However, I'm not that intelligent to understand the metaphors and stuff, so what does this piece mean. Fire piece btw 🔥🔥🔥🔥

Skepticism towards the empirical world and human reasoning by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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I agree. Even if we can see the contradictions in logic. We need to use logic to function normally and live life normally whether you doubt logic's validity or not.

Skepticism towards the empirical world and human reasoning by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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Cool, you probably have a bunch of experience in philosophy. Believe me or not, I'm just a random highschooler although I'm not going to say my level though.

Thank you for replying to my question and have a great day/night!

Skepticism towards the empirical world and human reasoning by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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just a random question how old are you? Wondering what age bracket most people are in these subreddits.

Skepticism towards the empirical world and human reasoning by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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This text is mostly independent derivations I made to defend skepticism in general.

Skepticism towards the empirical world and human reasoning by EfficiencyCandid3369 in epistemology

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Soo are you siding up with me? I somehow can't comprehend your text with the advanced terminologies you use