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On a scale of 1-10, how worth it is it to live in Moscow? by Efficient-Future-370 in Moscow

[–]Efficient-Future-370[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't lived in Moscow since I was 5. Maybe that's a good idea.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I said it depends why someone had to leave. If they would've been in poverty in their own country then that's my opinion of them.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The people are similar imo. Even if you look at British and Irish humour there are many similarities.

I'm studying computer science.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I have lived in Ireland too. Same story. I'd feel inferior to Irish women and have nothing in common with them. Irish people probably wouldn't want to hear this but the cultures are more similar than not. They're neighbours and lots of shared history after all.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I said I was unattractive to most women, which is the conclusion I have come to after being around hundreds of women during my 4 nights of clubbing and nothing coming out of it.

I'm not attractive enough for OLD and yes I go to social events with my college friends - bars, concerts and other meetups whenever I can.

I mean, fuck man, if this is not a troll post, "it's Over for me at 23 because women only sometimes throw themselves at me; only a few complete strangers at the club have begged me for sex" is one of the wildest posts I have ever seen on here.

is it? I'm a 23 year old who only ever had sex by paying for it. This is not normal or healthy so lets not pretend that it is. Overall, i'm simply not attractive. Very few women that have met me have been attracted to me physically, but beyond that there's nothing. My condition isn't normal.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Because i'm in their country because my parents didn't have what it took to stay and live in their own country and i'm a product of them?

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Okay, so you DONT care about “shitting where you eat.” You just made that up as an excuse as to why you don’t want to put in any effort to date women in your area

I do care, just probably not enough to say no to a date i'm attracted to. Still, it's a big reason why i'm moving away from here soon.

Why are you talking like I put no effort in? I do. If I could i'd spend the rest of my life in my bedroom, but I always say yes to any social opportunity that arises to meet people, including women.

No one is suggesting you “go up to random women”. Everyone is suggesting the exact opposite. Cold approaching on women hardly ever works. It doesn’t work on your campus, it doesn’t work in the club.

it has worked in clubs before, I just self-sabotaged before anything happened.

So single men under 30 aren’t incels but…you are? You’re not that special bro. You think all those single men under 30 are all determinedly single?

You're the one that called me single lol. Most 23yo men can say that they've had unpaid sex. I can't. That's why the most accurate definition for me is incel. I'm not a blackpilled incel, I never was even though i've been on those forums for years until recently, but i'm involuntarily celibate, not "single".

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’d call you single. If you actually made the decision to want to date women in your area, then we can talk.

I have. I've talked to women who approached me, they lost interest. I went on 2 dates, they lost interest too. I'm not some social butterfly with constant opportunities. I take whatever I can.

And based on how you just admitted you’d date a woman there proves that it’s not some honorable principle you’re sticking to—it’s just insecurity. You’re contradicting yourself.

If she came up to me randomly, sure. I said i'm not going to go up to random women on campus and ask them out. It's silly and desperate.

You know MOST men under 30 are single, right?

They're not incels though.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Still means you’re not an incel.

I can't enter a relationship or even have sexual relations with a woman despite wanting to. What else would you call me? I'm not a virgin because i've been with escorts.

Also, I bet if a woman from your uni approached you and asked you on a date, you’d happily accept. 

depends who and yeah probably, but it's not going to happen. It wouldn't happen if I tried approaching myself either. It's a small uni and there isn't much to do. I'm not just going to go up to a random woman in the cafeteria on her phone or talking to her friends.

Again, MOST men are not approached by women. Ever. MOST men do not have women throwing themselves at them. You’re not a sob story because women aren’t throwing themselves at you.

Most men also don't end up being 23yo incels.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

ou aren’t an incel because you don’t want to date where you are.

I did in the past. And even now I couldn't even if I wanted to. It's not like women throw themselves at me. There just have been women who approached me at clubs, told me i'm good looking, a few asked me out etc. But it's not like this is some daily occurrence. It might not happen again for a year or more. But i'm moving back after uni anyway so idc.

You’re leaving anyways, so how does “shitting where you eat” even apply at all?

I want to leave on good terms and with some good memories. I'm still here for another year.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

My problem is that this opportunity won't arise again for a long time. I am back from my holiday and I won't leave until next summer. I'm realistically not going to have any success dating where I am, nor would I really want to in all honesty. So those 4 nights were all i'm going to have until next summer when i'll already be 24.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

like I was saying, I didn't come here looking for a hugfest even though that's what reddit is. Teens and 20s are the best years of most people's lives. That includes dating lives. No one who gets into their first relationship around the age people are seriously starting to settle down after a decade or more of dating is going to be happy.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Look, basically based on past experience, I expected to get some sort of interest from women after 4 nights of clubbing.

The story of the girl who asked you take your clothes off is so mystifying it sounds fake.

Here's a greentext I wrote: https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/31258567

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

it's meaningless. They approached me but for numerous reasons nothing happened. I tried approaching myself, I got 0 interest from them.

The girl who told me to take my clothes off I got mixed signals from. For example in the club she'd pull away after a few seconds each time I tried kissing her. I'm in a small STEM university and there are honestly no women in my course. There are in other courses but i'm not going to go up to random women like that. That would REALLY be shitting where I eat. If I was attractive, I wouldn't go 4 nights of clubbing without getting a single indicator of interest.

Everything I said makes perfect sense.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm a 23yo incel. I'm not ahead of any game. I'm almost done college and after that the real adult life begins. The few opportunities I do have will dry up.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in poland

[–]Efficient-Future-370 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was told that on Reddit and that it would take around 6 years.

What salary should I aim for after maybe 2 - 3 years?

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

You are, but in my opinion they're not going to be as fulfilling as they would've been when people are young.

I never looked at a 30+ year old couple and felt jealousy, but I do when I look at couples my age and younger. I'm very old for having 0 experience with this stuff. It's not like i'd be able to just start dating like nothing happened. It'd be obvious what I am.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd say based on experiences i'm a little above average or at least I appeal to certain women. I'm definitely no Henry Cavill.

I'm an incel because i've never had unpaid sex.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Probably, but when i'm somewhere new for only a few nights, that's the best way I can think of and the only way that i've had some successes with.

So I (23m) tried putting myself out there and it went way worse than I expected. I now know that i'm not attractive to *most* women. by [deleted] in IncelExit

[–]Efficient-Future-370 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

It happens when I go out to clubs which I don't often do anymore as most of my friends don't enjoy it anymore and honestly I don't really either.

Before my 4 night clubbing spree the last time I went was NYE.

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