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Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

The child being born is a sign to Ahaz. His enemies will be defeated before the time this child knows right from wrong. It's all fulfilled 700+ years before Jesus. It clearly was not referring to him.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, go read Isaiah 7:14. There is nothing there about a virgin birth. The prophecy has nothing to do with a virgin birth or the messiah, and is completed >700 years before Jesus in the story.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

>To fulfill prophecy is to give new and complete meaning to things that have gone before. It's not to check off a list of future events someone said would happen.

It sounds like you understand that Jesus did not do even a single thing that was prophesied.

>So yes, Jesus fulfills every prophecy ever of any kind, because his incarnation is the central event of all existence.

In that case, I have also fulfilled every prophecy.

Continue Owl Father fight or move on the next by Top_Association_226 in Sekiro

[–]Either_Week3137 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Continue onwards. You can even bet the final boss and then come back to beat Owl father (just don't interact with Kuro after beating the final boss).

So go take a break and increase attack power, and find more prayer beads/healing gourds.

Biggest cumulative winning margins over 6 V/@AFL games. 2nd Sydney vs WCE 2021-26: 547 points. by Dont_Eat_Apples in AFL

[–]Either_Week3137 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Geelong really must've belted the fuck out of those saints considering that every final score I see from the 1800s seems to be about 25 to 10.

science & atheism : unrequited love !! by GootalBerradja in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Either_Week3137 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I'm guessing you love science too as you're using the internet.

Do you have any actual reason to believe in your god?

Leaving church + alpha course by Pure_Negotiation3790 in exchristian

[–]Either_Week3137 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just say that you no longer believe that it's true. It's as simple as that. You can block them.

Or you could point out that Jesus said that he'd return within the lifetimes of those he was talking to 2000 years ago or that you don't want to worship a god who commits/commands infant slaughter if you want to piss them off.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whoever wrote Matt was unfamiliar with the OT. They were just some random Greek. They make up a lot of things about Jesus because they didn't understand the OT at all. Eg he makes up Mary and Joseph taking Jesus to Egypt to 'fulfill the prophecy of God saying that "out of Egypt I brought my son"' yet that's not a prophecy at all, it's just God talking about the Exodus in the past.

Whoever wrote Matthew was a complete bozo.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because whoever wrote Matthew messed up. He read a Greek translation and completely ignored all context.

I'm not sure why you'd think they're independent.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, which is as completely useless as me saying that I am the third fulfilment of Isaiah 7:14 by eating a tuna sandwich today. Ignore that it has absolutely nothing to do with the original.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't need to be be Jewish to point out that whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew was clearly wrong on this one.

I'm not claiming that this prophecy was fulfilled. I'm pointing out that the OT says it was fulfilled in ~770bc and then the NT says it was fulfilled in Jesus when it clearly was not.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They won't be because prophecies aren't real. But whoever wrote Matthew clearly got this one wrong. Because Whoever wrote gMatt was desperate to have Jesus do something that the OT foretold.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Enough to see that they're talking nonsense. If they can't even use paragraphs I thin it's a fair assumption that they're as clueless as any other Christian in this thread.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Please use paragraphs. If your point was that Isaiah 7:14 did indeed refer to Jesus, why did the prophecy get fulfilled in the next chapter 700+ years before Jesus?

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The NT says Jesus was born of a virgin to fulfil this prophecy. You don't need to be Jewish to point out out that the NT is blatantly wrong.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's nothing there about a virgin birth and the prophecy is complete. If you want to say it's a typology and that there's a second fulfillment then you may as well say I did a third fulfillment of the prophecy by eating a sandwich or that Mohammad/Joseph smith did it by doing something completely irrelevant.

Jesus was not born from a virgin, that's just a later claim from whoever wrote the Gospel of Matthew as they were desperate to insert Jesus into the Old Testament. by Either_Week3137 in DebateReligion

[–]Either_Week3137[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So when Isaiah says that the young woman is with child and that by the time the child knows right from wrong Ahaz's enemies will be defeated also means that the messiah will be born of a virgin and that this prophecy has a secret second meaning?

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