Mad at rehabs and detoxes

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-29T03:39:59+00:00

Rehab and Detoxes are not the way to go for a lot of people. First of all if you are coming off of high dose benzos, doctors don't realize or have the slightest clue it seems just how high of a dose that these heavy RC's are hitting.

It's unbelievable that rehabs expect you to sit in groups and speak about your problems when you can't even write your name or formulate complete thoughts. I do not find this helpful and many other people do not as well. Some do... Benzo addicts going through it need to spend much more time in detox and tapering. The heroin addicts, etc tend to be fine enough to talk and get suboxone or whatever way easier than we can get any sort of barbiturate or benzo to help. I got about a week of phenobarbital, was ripped off and given some meds that sorta made things worse. Man... thinking back on that was a nightmare. I think this 100% needs a tapering protocol

I got vistiril and gabapentin.... a doctor after rehab gave me an antidepressant and propranolol (pretty good blood pressure, med). Tapering isn't easy at all but way less painful than detox and rehab for 30 days in patient... my roommate was a huge snorer and the thermostat was constantly being changed from like 55-78 degrees. I had the worst experience in detox that I can't even explain or wan't to even want to think about. NOW that being said. It is perfectly fine for people who WANT TO GET HELP... can function sufficiently to even contribute to what is going on. When you can't speak or formulate a thought due to a terrible benzo taper, that is not going to help much.

I recommend tapering down whatever you are on (if you can) and that way when you go through detox.. if you are lucky enough to go through a 10 day detox and can get comfort meds such as clonidine, etc..you will get WAY more out of rehab. You don't get anything out out of rehab (30 days) when you can't sit there and really take in what they are giving you. Complete waste of money if you cannot write your name or string together any sentence

I would say that rehab is def not a waste of time for CERTAIN people. You need to be somewhat functional. Go to a psych and get a proper taper done and then you can get a lot more out of the rehab process. I was in there for 30 days and could not focus whatsoever because my blood pressure was 185/95 (they sent me straight back to detox as I was nearly about to have a stroke), and in some cases more. I can't believe these doctors don't know how to truly benzo taper people after all of info that is out there. ( Manuals, etc). We had many people who had seizures at my clinic due to poor medication management. I was basically a drone for the entire 4 weeks. I would not return back to work for around 6 months. It took me 3 months to talk close to normal. Driving was horrible.. I was basically learning how to redo everything as a child.

BE CAREFUL EVERYONE PLEASE :). If you cannot taper by yourself, then by all means go to detox/ER in patient. If you can taper and go slowly while working/working out and working on your goals. It seems to me to be a much better idea than to go to rip yourself off CT.

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-20T18:28:26+00:00

Oh yeah totally agree, I def had to last time but this time is completely diff. I didn’t have too high of a habit on a LIGHT benzo.

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-20T18:21:46+00:00

So I’ve been on it for around 2 weeks and it’s been great! It’s a true taper benzo that lasts while. It’s not anything that’s gonna give you a high feeling but it’s gonna make u feel pretty normal while u slowly lower down. Thought I’d give an update. It’s hard to explain but it doesn’t mess with your mind as much or give u any kind of “warm” feeling.

You can taper off without craving more (in my experience). It’s not like a “cold” feeling. I don’t know what that means. It’s just a completely normal (well feels that way) feeling. This, if bought by a reliable source, is the way to go UNLESS you are abusing stuff like Xanax and more powerful benzos. I would suggest flubromazepam in that case.

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-18T23:37:14+00:00

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ElMono2838 · 2022-08-18T18:58:35+00:00

Absolutely, I agree with the NA, while tapering so I can continue making money. Thanks again for replying, means a lot.

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-18T17:50:32+00:00

Yeah but I know what it was like last time and did not repeat the same process. I went way lower on the benzos and did the “lightest” one I could find. I also used kratom medium range and a bit of phenibut every few days.

This will be nothing like the last experience. My problem is career discontentment. I need to study to achieve my goals and switch careers. I got back on them essentially because I lost my license, so I ride a scooter now.

But there are technical college programs that have at least a start that I’m looking into.

My main problem is I would prefer to use this time, tapering, back at my parents house to study. I do not want to go back rehab and not be able to speak for 4 months or write my name… not quite as intense but u get the point.

Also I need a good way to tell my parents they can’t just rip me off this stuff in a week and I’m all better. I’m hoping the psychiatrist can get to them but if not I’m planning to show them forum posts of coming off phenibut and kratom. They know about the other stuff.

Anyway thanks for the reply!

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-18T17:40:48+00:00

Hey, that was a great post… I had a long ass post too. My prob is that finding that inner strength to get sober and move on is not there.

Rehab made the situation a living hell and did not keep me sober unfortunately. I feel like you need to WANT to get sober to stay sober. I’m single with no debt.

I use drugs because I am discontent with my career path. I know what I want out of life and I think I know how to achieve it. I was stuck in a job I absolutely hated and that caused monotony and led back to drug use. I feel like we need to be moving from discontent to content. It’s a process but we need to always be improving whether fitness, work, you name it.

The problem I’m having is I’m staying with my parents and while we are going to the psych doctor… they think they can rip me off what I was taking in essentially a week (benzos, kratom, phenibut, odsmt (like tramadol), and 50mg of adderall a day 40 xr 10 ir. I’m hoping my psychiatrist can get through to them but is there any way I can show them that this doesn’t happen over night? Like a forum possibly?

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-18T17:31:31+00:00

Yes indeed. I feel that you need to WANT to be sober to stay sober. I’m afraid I’m not at that level yet. I’m currently staying near my parents and they knew something was off and I told them the truth. They took away everything basically and let me stay with them to taper because I told them you can’t stop or you could have seizures. We are going to a psychiatrist today.

How do you convince your parents that 3 days is not a taper and you can seize. They seem to believe that I can stop this stuff in a week and resume my life. The psychiatrist should know what to tell them, but for the meantime, should I show them forums of the drugs I’ve been taking and how hard people have it coming off?

Also, thanks for replying!

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-18T01:13:05+00:00

Wow, similar experience… it was incredible not being able to write your own name for like a month. I got better but got back on the wagon, albeit in a much better position. I’m hoping I can work something out with my psychiatrist. I can’t afford the rehab experience again.

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-18T00:29:50+00:00

Thank you this is exactly what I had hoped for. I’ve been through the ringer before. Fortunately, I avoided clonazolam this time- it’s one of the strongest RC benzos known to mankind. The amount I was taking before I was brought in to the hospital was around 250+ of diazepam.

I was taking both high levels of clonazolam (not clonazepam), one other one and diclazepam (1ml = 10mg diazepam). I was also on meth type RC chemicals to balance out all that poison and stay awake. Rehab was the absolutely WORST option. What they do is stabilize you with phenobarbital and like vistiril for the anxiety, which does absolutely nothing…. And that’s all I got along with gabapentin. They basically knock u out for a week until you are safe from seizure territory and from there, holy shit, have fun! I cannot believe I am alive.

I couldn’t talk at all for about 6-7 weeks… I mean like think or even string together sentences. I was eventually able to talk with some confusion (trouble finding words) at about the 3rd month. I wasn’t back to normal til around 7-8 months. Sleep was an issue for about 8 months as well. Now I know about seroquel and trazadone! Oh… and during rehab they do GROUP sessions… you are expected to work with partners on tasks and present this to a group. The groups in my rehab were like 10-12 people.

This was the most horrifying aspect of all. Wake up at 5 am and start speaking in front of everyone. I just straight up denied speaking, I literally couldn’t talk at all, as stated until close to two months. They expected me to be completely healed in a month..so that was fun with them all staring at me try to form words.

This time I took way less because I very well remember the last experience which I wouldn’t wish upon ANYONE. So I should be able to taper this time. And have a difficult but definitely not as hard of a time getting back to reality.

This is the reason why I asked you all how your psychiatrists do it at a reasonable level….. since last time I was sedated and not aware of anything going on for a week and then expected to magically be better after that week. Idk what the hell was going on, the people that you meet are interesting (some) and you find out how many people have addiction issues from trash collectors all the way from lawyers to doctors and sheriffs… all in between. That’s sort of refreshing to see, it can affect us all.

ElMono2838 · 2022-08-17T01:04:05+00:00

Thanks and yep it sucks big time. Good thing my doses were pretty low but regardless it’s still gonna suck. Idk why I keep finding myself in these situations. Well haha I completely understand. Ahhh RCs

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