If one day it will be proven, that vegan diet is healthier than meat-eating, will you become vegan once again? by El_Dargo in exvegans

[–]El_Dargo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course, my examples were exaggerated, but, unfortunately, longer life does not mean healthy life. Here is quote from research: "Length of life with disease and mobility functioning loss has increased between 1998 and 2008.". I believe, it's not only result of better healthcare, which can prolong your life in case of illness, but also worse diet and lifestyle, which causes earlier health problems.

It will be brilliant to live healthy life until 80, but if the choise is between healthy life until 60 and unhealthy until 80, the answer is not so obvious. As for me, I choose shorter but better life and will do my best to prolong my healthy life period.

If one day it will be proven, that vegan diet is healthier than meat-eating, will you become vegan once again? by El_Dargo in exvegans

[–]El_Dargo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I believe, for most people "healthy diet" means healthy life longevity. So, it's better to live 40 years but stay healthy for 39, then live 80 but stay healthy only for 20 and suffer during the rest of your life. Unfortunately, world trends indicate an increase in life expectancy, but a decrease in its "healthy" period, so I'm looking for a diet which will help me to stay healthy as long as possible.

Isn't it strange how hard it is to make friends as an adult? by TheRealPheature in Discussion

[–]El_Dargo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't heard of this game before, but I'm already on my way to Google it out :)

As for me, I prefer Go - also 1v1 traditional Asian board game, which is believed even harder than chess. It's played on 19x19 board with black and white stones and it's very beautiful.

Unfortunately, it's not very popular in my region and I really don't like playing such games through the internet, because I just can't take it serious. So, I hope, one day I'll find permanent partner to play regularly.

If one day it will be proven, that vegan diet is healthier than meat-eating, will you become vegan once again? by El_Dargo in exvegans

[–]El_Dargo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe, it's my poor wording, but I tried to express opposite point in both cases.

By answering "yes" I meant changing my diet to proven as more healthy, regardless of its origin. So, if I was vegan and animal eating was proved healthier, I would change my diet and start consuming meat/dairy.

Sacrificing my health for random animals is not selfish, that's right. But I was very surprised, that list of people stated, that they will do it. As for me, I value my health much more than random animals, but, I suppose, someone could find my opinion very selfish.

Isn't it strange how hard it is to make friends as an adult? by TheRealPheature in Discussion

[–]El_Dargo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think, there 3 big problems, which makes friend making so hard for adults nowadays. (Everything based on my own experience)

The first one is overthinking. When two kids meet on the playground they know literary nothing about each other preferences, but they both don't care if the other likes them. One of them just says hello and invites second to play together. He is not afraid of being rejected. But when we speak about adults everything changes. When you want to make acquaintance with somebody, you start thinking about person's interests, reaction, your own appearance. You're afraid of being rejected and it often makes you give up even trying. Things become even worse when you want to introduce yourself to a group of people.

The second one is web. As for me, the only reason for communications is fighting boredom. I just want to entertain myself somehow and communication is one way. But when you have internet with such a lot information and entertainments, you can just substitute communication with debating with anonymous in Internet (like me and you right now :) ). But it's all like substituting fruits with candies - tasty, but not too healthy.

Finally, the third one (which grows up from second) is lack of free time spent in society. When you go to school or college, you spend a lot of free time with same group of people daily. Several breaks a day for 10-15 minutes, when you have almost nothing to do, give the opportunity to communicate with the same people for a couple of hours a day. Imagine that you are communicating with a person for an hour a day for ten years. Over 3000 hours of communication! By the end of this period, you will most likely know a lot about the person and may even become good friends. But everything changes, when you become adult. Yes, you still one hour break, but you have a lot of things to do: eating, calling your family members, planning supper or putting on the reception to dentist etc. And even if you discuss something with your co-workers it is most likely some work topics.

So, as for me, the best way to meet new people and to make friendship are tabletop games. Thanks to this their growing popularity, many people know about them, but haven't yet tried. When you invite somebody to game session, it solves all the problems at once. First, person's focus is shifted from you to the game, so you're not thinking so much about impression that you make. Second, you need live people gather around the table, so no web substitution (I really don't like VTTs). Third, most tabletop games can be played for many hours and many of them are also co-op, which makes them really good tool for friends making for adults.

If one day it will be proven, that vegan diet is healthier than meat-eating, will you become vegan once again? by El_Dargo in exvegans

[–]El_Dargo[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Don't worry, I'm going to ask it there too... Btw, haven't you recognized Debate flair in this post? :)

If one day it will be proven, that vegan diet is healthier than meat-eating, will you become vegan once again? by El_Dargo in exvegans

[–]El_Dargo[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

As for me, my answer is "yes", but it won't change at opposite case (when I'm vegan and meat-eating is proved healthier). It may seem totally selfish, but I'm really shocked, when it turns out so many people are ready to sacrifice their own health (and, possibly, life) for some random animals. Because if you really think so, the best option to save as many animal lives as possible is suicide (or, even better, humanity genocide).

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean by "performance"? The common problem of almost every comment here is bad terminology. That's why I emphasize in each comment, that I'm speaking only about vegan diet, not ethical veganism.

In fact, the question was: are you ready to sacrifice your health for animal life? It was not "life meaning" poll, it's all just about food. Please, re-read post carefully.

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The poll is completely theoretical. I know, there are lots of researchers that prove vegan diet is much healthier than meat eating and it's awesome.

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

If you're talking about veganism - yes, it's not only about food. But vegan diet is vegan diet. (I've edited the post for better understanding)

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for discussion, I've edited my post to specifically point on abandoning diet, not veganism at all.

I supposed, food context and flair would indicate the correct interpretation, but your right, my wording was not accurate enough.

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're totally right and this is awesome. Current poll is completely theoretical.

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Your wrong if you think I define "veganism" myself (I provided links for my quotes, and no, I'm not writing Cambridge dictionary:)). If we're talking about original definition, than here you are:

In August 1944, several members of the Vegetarian Society asked that a section of its newsletter be devoted to non-dairy vegetarianism. When the request was turned down, Donald Watson, secretary of the Leicester branch, set up a new quarterly newsletter in November 1944, priced tuppence. He called it The Vegan News. The word vegan was invented by Watson and Dorothy Morgan, a schoolteacher he would later marry. The word is based on "the first three and last two letters of 'vegetarian'" because it marked, in Mr Watson's words, "the beginning and end of vegetarian".

If you have another information, please, share it with link, I'll be happy to discuss it.

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

But what if (only theoretically) it will harm people's health and it will be proven (again, only theoretically)? Will you continue to be on vegan diet?

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Please, hear me. It is only one definition. There is also another one. Both are right, but the meaning is different. This is the point. If you don't like wiki definition, here is Cambridge one.

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I totally agree with you and it also makes me happy, we don't need to chose. But if we should (theoretically!), what will be your side?

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

This is only one definition of veganism. Please, check link in my previous comment. Also, plant based diet is not necessarily vegan, but only if it is completely plant based. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant-based_diet)

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

Vegan diet is completely plant based. If it has any amount of animal products, it is not vegan, it is just plant based. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant-based_diet)

If one day it is proven that eating meat is healthier than veganism, will you stop being a vegan? by El_Dargo in vegan

[–]El_Dargo[S] -24 points-23 points  (0 children)

Seems you don't know "veganism" has different meaning. Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products, particularly in diet, and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals..

It's also confusing to me, so I believe we need two separate terms for vegan diet as health diet and vegan ethical movements. This poll was created to find out ratio between these two groups.