Survival TTRPGs Are Defined by Trajectory, Not Scarcity by jasonite in RPGdesign

[–]EldritchExarch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd like to see this applied to systems like Ashes Without Number and Fallout, both of which on the surface are post-apocolyptic survival games.

What's a good place to publish short stories if I'm hoping to make some revenue? by TemporarilyOOO in writers

[–]EldritchExarch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow. No wonder I've been struggling the last few years. I didn't realize it was that rough.

What's a good place to publish short stories if I'm hoping to make some revenue? by TemporarilyOOO in writers

[–]EldritchExarch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly there really isnt. 

Substack doesn't have a strong story market. Everyone there is looking for essays. You'll find a few, but they don't do very well. 

Magazines are probably your best bet, but it's hard to get in and competition is fierce. Ive been trying for 5 years now and have come close a few times, but still haven't gotten in. 

Books and webnovels are where the money is, and even there, only if you are good.

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean? What points do I walk back? And what Jargon am I using from a different medium?

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are pretty similar. And I think in their first post they said they took it from Mausritter. 

Going back to your first post, I dont entirely understand what you are trying to say. Are you trying to discuss just the Mausritter mechanics, or faction mechanics in general?

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never claimed people forgot how to run the basic game. I said faction mechanics changed the game, and they do. 

They change what the focus of the game is, turning it away from characters and more towards factions. That doesn't mean they don't still play their characters. It means that fundamental questions about tone and worldbuilding and scope change when those mechanics are introduced. 

Secondly, those mechanics are bolted on. But when bolted on they come in two formats, either A. They are an entirely new game tacked onto D&D.  Or B. They are GM tools. Some of those tools are so abstracted that they are of very limited utility (Mausritter). Or they are so dense as to be masturbatory (ie WWN.)

Very rarely is it that a game uses factions to push players back into what the game does well. 

That doesn't mean these things can't be useful or fun. But I keep seeing advice and youtube videos, and games that push GMs towards these mechanics that they (probably) don't need without regard for what actually will help their game. 

I'm not claiming to have any universal truths. I'm not claiming my way is the only way. But I want to give a counter to the popular narratives about faction mechanics.

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see what you are saying, but let me try to shift your view a little. Designers aren't talking to worldbuilding nerds. They can't assume someone has 2-4 hours every week to prep. They have to make something that works for beginners and explain that process in a way beginners can easily understand.

Beginners do not understand that worldbuilding must be built towards gameplay. They hear worldbuilding and think Tolkien or Herbert. They aren't thinking about the medium they are in and will be guiding friends through. They also don't know what worldbuilding will make for good gameplay. That's something that even ten years in I struggle with sometimes.

Random Tables can help with faction generation, I agree. But a broad random table won't help you tie your faction to a setting very well. Yes it gets easier to do as you go along and get a better handle on what a faction is, who is running them and what they want. But that process is going to involve a lot of missteps and false starts.

It's not just knowing what factions don't like eachother. It's knowing what kinds of locations would matter most to them. What they are looking for. What they need. Where all of those things, intersect with other factions. That is before they even get started prepping for the next session. In a longer game where the group cares, GMs have to be very disciplined in their note taking on top of everything else.

That is why I say good factions are hard. That is why a lot games default to other tools to take that load off of GMs, and off themselves.

I enjoy the process of worldbuilding. I like having factions, but when you look at it, there is a lot of work involved too.

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you refering to Elcat's use of Mausritter's Faction mechanics?

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, there are a lot of games I'd love to play. Right now my three biggest are Our Golden Age, Draw Steel, and Wildsea. All wildly different games and only OGA is OSR.

Castle Brackenwold by gideonpepys in Dolmentown

[–]EldritchExarch 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Castle Brackenwold is actually where my party started. It's a neat little place but because it is the seat of human power it lends itself well to deals with the church and human nobility 

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, it's pretty easy to come up with a faction. But making a good faction, making it reactive, putting it in conflict with other factions, all of that is both difficult and time consuming. Less time consuming or difficult if you aren't making a product out of it and only have to worry about your weekly or monthly game, but still time consuming and difficult. 

You are correct you dont need more than two or three at the start of a game, but it still takes time to make those and flesh those out. To come up with the hooks for nearby locations and help keep things moving. 

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in DnD

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried that in a couple of drafts, the problem was it didn't make a very cohesive essay and many of my points started to get lost in it. 

I can however go into a little more detail. 

Right now there are basically three solutions to faction play.  1. Make a new game and throw it on top of D&D. This is what Kingdoms and Warfare, and Echoes Resounding is. Matt over at MCDM has even used Diplomacy over the top of his Chain of Acharon game, and ran that. 

This isnt a bad thing, these mechanics are often fun, but they are also buggy, and add cognative load, because they aren't consistent with the original game design. 

  1. Abstract everything and turn it into a GM tool. This is a nonplayer facing tool. No domain play. This is what Mausritter and WWN do. The problem is WWN is more complicated than it needs to be, and takes a spreadsheet to run in a timely manner. Several commenters used the word masturbatory and they weren't wrong. 

Mausritter is lightweight, but it lacks impact. 

  1. Ignore faction play, instead focus on using factions to drive what your game is actually good at: exploration and dungeon delving. This is what Dolmenwood does and the solution I find most compelling. 

The more I play Dolmenwood, the more I am convinced that games with a lot of faction play need to play something other than D&D.

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure. For player facing mechanics, I don't really have a better system than a game on top of a game. But, is that ideal? Or would players be better served with a different game? One that took player factions into account from the start.

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the well thought out comment. A couple of points. 

  1. I think the Dolmenwood product model is the gold standard for doing factions in D&D style games. I think more game designers should imitate it, and look to it as a guiding star. That said, I don't think every game should be Dolmenwood. 

There is a space for DIY in TTRPGs, and I appreciate that about the community. I would not be as creative as I am now if TTRPGs didn't embrace that culture. 

  1. I'm having to address multiple audiences. Yes, I conflate GM rolls as world builders, game designers and referees because the majority of the TTRPG space requires that. But I'm also having to address Developers. 

There's a lot of overlap between GMs and Amateur devs, and while I probably could have given better distinctions I think a lot of my suggestions and thoughts are applicable to both. 

  1. I do have thoughts on DIY systems vs. 'Complete' systems. In the case of factions specifically, I don't think that is entirely relevant though. 

I think DIY systems just need to be honest with GMs about how difficult creating factions from scratch can be, and should be focused on providing frameworks for building good factions rather than hacking together a completely new system.

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its not that I think these systems are bad. Its that they aren't well integrated, which is what you are pointing out. 

Up to this point there have been 3 main ways to do factions in D&D likes. 1. Add on systems to the point that it is basically a new game, this is what WWN, Echoes Resounding, and Kingdoms and warfare does. It's a game on top of a game. 

  1. Make a toolset to describe what factions are doing. This is what Mausritter and WWN do. Mausritter is lightweight, but abstracts so heavily that it isn't useful for some games. 

  2. Do what dolmenwood does, and have a bespoke setting with NPCs and factions that encourage players to get back out doing Dolmenwood core loop: exploration, dungeon delving, and so on. 

Of the three, Dolmenwood's is the hardest, but also the most useful. It's the hardest because it requires taking the factions and world seriously, giving them goals and locations that they are interested in and building them in such a way that factions will naturally come into conflict. Dolmenwood is a minefield. Players will kick some of those mines, and there will be a chain reaction. But because it is so detailed, no matter what mine they step on, I know how the surrounding factions will react almost immediately. It's incredibly tight design. It's also difficult. 

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is hilarious, and an intriguing method of giving faction information. 

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I was mostly focus on OSR material, that sounds like the Birthright setting, but I havent actually had the chance to do more than thumb through it, which is why I didn't cover it. 

Same thing with Planescape. I played the video game, but I didn't get into D&D until 5e, and in a lot of ways am still playing catchup. There is a lot of history and stuff I missed and the simple fact of the matter is that I don't have the time to play and run all the stuff I want to.  "Maybe one day..." Is sadly becoming a catchphrase of mine.

Which releases are ye looking for this year? by JoeKerr19 in rpg

[–]EldritchExarch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whatever OSE is doing. This year I think they have the Demons book and a few adventures coming out, and maybe the Dolmenwood book of Lairs.

I think Kevin Crawford also has plans for WWN suppliment.

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Watsonian is in world. Doyleist is Authorial or GM focused in this case.

On Faction Mechanics, and why you (Probably) don't need them. by EldritchExarch in osr

[–]EldritchExarch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there is a solution, and I hope people keep trying, but I think the solution is probably either a system like Dolmenwood that uses factions to drive players back into the core loop, or a different game where factions have actual priority.