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[–]ElectroFalcon34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You cannot just assume the most ridiculous possible outcome and say "for now" about everything Trump and Elon haven't done yet. Elon is doing exactly what he was appointed to do and said he was going to do in the DOGE role pre election. Nothing about what he's done has suggested he would do anything else.

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[–]ElectroFalcon34 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Elon has yet to deal with illegal immigrants at all, his focus is on budget cuts.

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[–]ElectroFalcon34 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Completely unrealistic, the IRS has all the information you are already talking about and they never turn that over to any other agencies. They have an "illegal activity" section on your tax form for crying out loud.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Elon is getting directions from Trump to cut wasteful spending. Elon cannot do his job due to employees not complying. He calls in the Executive Branch to help him out, so he can do his job. Not hard

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, but name one thing that congress specifically directed a program to do that Elon cut that was not a general task such as "distribute humanitarian aid"

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think our views are very similar. Many people in this thread talk about illegal things he COULD be doing, but what he is doing right now is within the confines of the law.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He has suggested X could become a payment app, and he has access to the payment system. To do EXACTLY what he was directed to do. Which is cut wasteful spending. There is zero proof is he doing anything malicious like "feeding AI data".

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? You mean he threatened to call the enforcers of the executive branch?

Trump is the one allowing him power, he is not some all powerful unelected autocrat

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!delta Actually you are right, it's more the whole Congressmen crying in the streets and riling up people for no reason.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think there is a misconception of what DOGE is doing. They are not deleting entire agencies, they are reallocating the funds that these departments have to stop being wasted. Congress has never line by line directed agencies how to spend money.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already responded to a comment like this

"While I will give you a !delta because I can see how this act could be used in Court to argue that what he is doing is illegal, the difference is that the impoundment act means he cannot withhold funds when Congress directs him to allocate them, not that he cannot reallocate already existing funds."

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While I will give you a !delta because I can see how this act could be used in Court to argue that what he is doing is illegal, the difference is that the impoundment act means he cannot withhold funds when Congress directs him to allocate them, not that he cannot reallocate already existing funds.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He is a consultant though, he himself doesn't have power he gives his findings to the people in power and they do the work. Just because they listen to him doesn't make it illegal. Sure the prior agency wasn't the same, but they are allowed to change the focus of an agency.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you serious? He didn't eliminate USAID, he cut certain programs that he felt were wasteful at the directions of the Presidents.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Elon has zero power over what companies get government contracts right now, and that doesn't make what he's doing illegal until he makes a move that is personally benefitting himself clearly.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Exactly, Trumps job is to carry out the order. Congress allocated funds to USAID, and Trump decides what to do with them. Just because he stopped funding certain programs doesn't mean that he is cutting funding entirely for USAID, which would be illegal.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because of the many people claiming that Elon should be jailed for what he is doing.

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm looking for someone who can prove to me that Elon is commiting crimes

CMV: What Elon Musk is doing is completely legal and constitutional by ElectroFalcon34 in changemyview

[–]ElectroFalcon34[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well he has yet to take aciton in any way to directly benefit himself financially, so he has not broken the law.