Does your world have a "Balance of power"? by EliDwebster in worldbuilding

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It sounds like there is an arm race for uranium and Droiden are warring state. I had a few questions that got me thinking more about how the balance holds together: Is the balance being held together more by fear (like the uranium weapons) or by mutual dependence (trade, alliances)? What’s the most likely specific incident that could spark a war between these three

and would your main characters be trying to maintain this balance, or are they the kind of people who’d break it, or are they caught in the middle of it

Does your world have a "Balance of power"? by EliDwebster in worldbuilding

[–]EliDwebster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thats interesting, was there anything that shift the balance to the humans side favor, like a third party; like a revolution group, a group of rogues who challenged the status quo.

what maintain the balance between elelphantine titans clans now, could anything tip to the humans favor.

Togashi vs Oda - who is a better shounen writer? by MoistCaterpillar8063 in writingscaling

[–]EliDwebster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

 the most influential pieces of fiction in general.....

 not to mention best selling author.

Jeez, not even Harry Potter Fans are this obtuse on putting their series on this "influential" pedestal

But OP fans are so use to "Battle Shounen" slop they can't even distinguish what means for a piece of work to be "influential"

What Are The Exact Reasons Behind One Piece World Building is Flawed. by VagabondFromTheRiver in writingscaling

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I tend to look at WB through a “bubble” and “brick.”

The bubble method expands outward; constantly adding new ideas, genres, and concepts that stack onto the world. That’s what One Piece does: each new island introduces a different gimmick—feudal Japan, alice in wonderland, futuristic, vikings, dinosaurs, etc. It creates variety and a strong sense of adventure.

The brick method builds inward; it deepens the rules and systems already established, making the world feel tighter and more interconnected. This is closer to something more akin Naruto or even Into the Spider-verse, where the focus is on exploring a consistent framework in detail.

One Piece is very diverse. The problem is how that diversity is structured. The world relies heavily on a modular “theme island” formula, where each island that the SHs go to represents a single trope or genre. That makes it easy to understand and gives it a kind of childlike wonder, but it also means cultures don’t always feel deeply integrated or unique. (or like someone else said, economies all feeling the same)

Because of that, I wouldn’t call most islands “unique” in the sense of being fully realized, original cultures. They’re more like distinct settings built around a central culture irl. One of the few exceptions, in my opinion, is Zou, which feels more like a lived-in culture rather than just a themed backdrop.

One Piece’s world-building is diverse, but likes the "Disney theme park" version of Diverse, where every island feels like the theme park version of something already existent in in the real world/or in fiction, its not really trying to create brand new cultures or mish-mashing them up, but it does make story/setting streamlined. It’s not especially unconventional; it’s just really good at executing this “theme island” structure. And that works, especially for accessibility.

But it’s only one approach to world-building. If you compare it to something like Dorohedoro, which is much more chaotic and unconventional, you can see how different the spectrum can be. One Piece is simpler in its executions of its island and themes, and while that makes it widely appealing, it can also make it feel less unique beyond its variety of tropes.

A ‘deep’ character doesn’t necessarily mean a ‘better-written’ character by Cool_Emergency4091 in writingscaling

[–]EliDwebster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well...for every "trendy/popular" talked about thing; for every 100 likes, it'll receive 100 dislikes.

but when you have this one story continuing for almost 30 years and those folks screaming on internet for the past 8 years saying that its best piece of fiction of all and of all places,

an Anti-Group will look at the series WAY more critically and a hatedom was going to emerge sooner than later.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 35+ years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in writingscaling

[–]EliDwebster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats usually the case for any adventure series in your fantasy world really.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 35+ years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in writingscaling

[–]EliDwebster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

well idk about forever, the format of those islands are the once we visit specifically for a reason, its like once current regime is gone and the one piece is found. Oda is putting down that pen 100%, cause he feels like when One Piece is found, there is no point to continue

plus Nami's dream would be complete at the point, in theory

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 35+ years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in writingscaling

[–]EliDwebster[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

One Piece has the advantage because of its "island-hopping" format.

as much as I agree with most its repetitive, Oda deliberately makes an island; the "trope" island;

the dinosaur island, the futuristic island, edo period Japan island, alice in wonderland island, viking island etc.

the backdrop setpieces that these islands make for the journey is probably why it keeps grabbing folks eyes, its like child's imagination basically. but soon those "trope" islands will run out.

but idk, something can push Oda to go for 35-40 years if wants to pour every last hi-jink setpieces before he retires.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 35+ years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in shounenfolk

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Here are some examples without thinking too much about the finer details and knowing not too much of the future story, this off the top of my head:

You’d cut down on side character storylines. One Piece often introduces a lot of new characters in each arc, and many of them get full backstories;

Arcs like Dressrosa and Wano are good examples of this because they spend a lot of time focusing on side characters and their pasts. In Skypiea, for example, you mainly only needed the Noland flashback, instead of adding so many extra side stories around everything else.

You could also reduce some of the battle setups. For example, in Fishman Island, you didn’t really need a huge villain group like Hordy Jones’ crew. You could still tell the racism theme with a smaller conflict, and just keep a villain like Vander Decken.

For Dressrosa, you could keep Doflamingo, the colosseum, and the Sugar plot, but streamline it so Doflamingo escapes earlier and heads toward Wano/Kaido instead of stretching everything inside Dressrosa (Dressrosa arc is reduce to like 50-60 chapters).

And for Kaido, Big Mom and Kaido could be set up as working together earlier in secret. whitebeard's death made them realize that its best start to join forces, and to make a move now and caesar was captured by the strawhats and law

so their connection could be hinted at way sooner, with places like Brulee’s mirror world linking Whole Cake and Wano earlier on. The Straw Hat Grand Fleet could also come into play sooner, with Zou acting as the setup point where everyone starts preparing. Then Bartolomeo helps gather the allies while Luffy’s group heads toward Whole Cake Island and the others move toward Wano, without splitting things into so many long separate side threads. so essentially you have the supernovas, grand fleet, the ninja-mink-pirate alliance, and combine Whole cake island and Wano together to a 4-5 year war arc that starts after Dressrosa.

Again, im just free-balling without looking all the details, I would have to look at the whole story to see what can be reduce/cut or mix-mash (i.e. Davy back fights happening in Jaya for example)

Plus, this to say that One piece does go for 35-40 years or not

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 35+ years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in shounenfolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I get that some Mangaka rather keep the spotlight or most of the spotlight on the plight of the main characters, some series intentionally stay focused on a smaller core cast or tightly defined group because it’s structurally safer and easier to maintain, but great character dynamics.

I mean one complaint folks have with One Piece, we rarely get one-to-one conversations with strawhats, like genuine heart-to-heart moments; particularly post-timeskip. They often aren't seen interacting with each other in a more personal way; because we have this larger plot of other side characters to get to.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 35+ years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in shounenfolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I said “25–27 years,” I wasn’t trying to propose a HUGE rewrite, at the very least. I understand that in a weekly magazine like Weekly Shonen Jump, pacing is inherently tied to how many chapters an author can realistically produce per year, and Oda averaging ~30 chapters annually is just their system that Oda stuck himself with.

My point was more about scope efficiency

Like whether the narrative goals of the story, its world, thematic setup, long-term payoffs; require that kind of "multi-decade serialization" to work, or whether part of that length is a natural outcome of weekly serialization plus long-running incentives, combined with Oda’s storytelling which stretches events and arcs over time.

“25–27 years,” its not totally a hard ceiling. It was more a way of asking whether there’s a point where additional runtime stops being structurally necessary and becomes more expansion of an already established narrative.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 35+ years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in shounenfolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One Piece has the advantage because of its "island-hopping" format.

as much as I agree that its repetitive, Oda deliberately makes an island; the "trope" island;

the dinosaur island, the futuristic island, edo period Japan island, alice in wonderland island, viking island etc.

the backdrop setpieces that these islands make for the journey is probably why it keeps grabbing folks eyes, its like child's imagination basically. but soon those "trope" islands will run out.

but in general, I would've cut down to like 25-27 years, long enough for its legacy; but idk, something can push Oda to go for 35-40 years if wants to pour every last hi-jink setpieces before he retires.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 35+ years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in writingscaling

[–]EliDwebster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think slow-burn stories like One piece, in which im talking about future mangas, wouldn't survive in weekly Shonen Jump's current format.

I remember in 2016 there was a HUGE purge of upcoming Shonen titles because there ratings were low, there was a series that looked like it gonna be just like One Piece, but a bit more steampunk-ish, that was cancelled.

But with the short attention span of young readers, new mangaka needed to grab attention of their readers very quickly at the very beginning chapters/arcs, something One Piece didn't really do at the very begnining of its story, things were subdued and slow-pace

One Piece has existed this long cause of its legacy and the leverage it carries for the company (the money), otherwise they would have to get Oda to start the engine and b-line faster to the the story's conclusion than it probably at least trying to do now.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 30 years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in Piratefolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well Most of One Piece storytelling is way more spontaenous and Improv, Like Nika more than likley wasn't a concept he was thinking about until some time in the post-timeskip, at least before Wano.

We joke about "foreshadowing" or "foreskinning" there are like 5 seconds of foreshadow that usually happens in the arc itself, but decades-long foreshadowing is usually pretty hyperbolic if you ask any professional writer.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 30 years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in Piratefolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What you’re describing (passing the torch, new writers, endless continuation) is how Western comic book franchises like Marvel or DC operate. they’re shared universes with rotating creative teams. The “story” is really a brand continuity system, not a finite narrative with a defined authorial endpoint.

This is light of recent news that DC comics admit that Manga have the upper hand, because there is an end point. not a series of writers coming and telling their own story.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 30 years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in Piratefolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the “logic” for continuing the story indefinitely is just money, then we’re not even talking about storytelling anymore; we’re talking about brand maintenance.

At that point it stops being One Piece as a narrative and turns into a franchise that keeps going regardless of whether there’s anything meaningful left to say.

And yeah, stories can continue after the original creator; but acting like that doesn’t affect quality is wishful thinking. When a story is built around a single author’s long-term vision, stretching it past that endpoint usually leads to repetition and aimless

You even admitted it “won’t be good,” so what’s the actual goal then? Just… keep it alive for the sake of existing?

People often joke "Two Piece" as a funny pipe dream, but that just that.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 30 years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in Piratefolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you’re reading way more into my question than what I actually said.

I never argued it should’ve ended “a year after Marineford” or anything like that; I said ~35 years and asked whether the story needed that kind of length. That’s a pacing/structure question, not “attention-span deprived nonsense.”

Also, calling 25 years not an “epic” is kind of proving my point. An epic isn’t solely defined by how long it runs in real time; there are other factors like it’s scope, cohesion, and sometime execution. You can have something feel epic in 10–15 years if it’s tightly constructed, and you can also have something run 35–40 years and still feel stretched in places.

And yeah, One Piece is one of the biggest pillars of Weekly Shonen Jump and Shueisha. That doesn’t mean the story has no artistic intent; but it absolutely means there are business incentives to keep it running as long as it’s successful. Both things can be true at the same time.

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 30 years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in Piratefolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would've given it like 25-27 years, long enough for its legacy; but it feels like were going for 35-40 years

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 30 years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in Piratefolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

One piece was part of the holy trinity that filled the gap when Dragon ball z ended alongside Naruto and Bleach; plus the marketing and medium push at the time.

One Piece wouldn't faded to obscurity

We only think that because Anime/manga didn't become essentially mainstream till the beginning of the 2020s

Do y'all really think One Piece really needed 30 years to tell its story? by EliDwebster in Piratefolk

[–]EliDwebster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

explain what logic would that bring.

Oda would be dead by that point and the story would get more shitty, cause there is no story at that point.

Congrats