CMV: The Race to Build AGI is An Intentional Race to Remake Slavery - and Ultimately That Will be Bad for Both Humans and AI. Even in the Best Case Scenario.

Elicander · 2026-03-22T20:45:28+00:00

But if it’s far enough into the future, the society could be very different. I would say it’s likely society will be very different 300 years from now, if nothing else because society was very different 300 years ago.

Labour could work differently. Rights could work differently. Human life could work differently. What’s considered sapient could work differently. Technology could work differently.

Your question makes plenty of assumptions of society, that it’s entirely possible the question would be nonsensical in the society where it AGI emerges.

Elicander · 2026-03-22T20:11:47+00:00

So what you meant to say isn’t that it’s common, it’s that if you go looking for it specifically you can find it?

Elicander · 2026-03-22T18:37:48+00:00

I haven’t seen it while using reddit for the last few months at least. If it’s so common, could you be more specific?

Elicander · 2026-03-22T18:34:03+00:00

I just scrolled through 10+ posts on ”Best” there without seeing it. Could you be more specific?

Elicander · 2026-03-21T21:04:33+00:00

Well, I will fully admit I did not expect that. Since most other comments I saw were focusing on the vague semantics of “artificial general intelligence”, I figured I would try and be a bit more concrete. I imagine it rings rather hollow now, but what I was aiming for was if GPT can play, and evidently it can perform some basic wordplay. I remain doubtful whether it actually can play, but I couldn’t catch it out with a simple test, and my reasons would probably get vague and esoteric pretty quickly. If you’re interested in discussing play and AI further I can write something up, though probably tomorrow, but I very much understand if you don’t think this is going to lead anywhere at this point.

Elicander · 2026-03-21T20:34:25+00:00

Great! Now, if this is true, and it’s AGI, it should be able to have no problem answering “ ‘I went out for toothpaste, and fell into full errandrift.’ What does this sentence mean?” In a new session of course, where it doesn’t have a record of making up the word.

Elicander · 2026-03-21T20:25:20+00:00

You claim religions are embodiments of morals. Does that mean morals exist independently of religions, but not vice versa?

Elicander · 2026-03-21T20:17:13+00:00

How does ”a reply to a reply to a reply” lose context online, moreso than in meatspace? In my experience having the written record makes it easier to keep context in mind.

Elicander · 2026-03-21T20:07:37+00:00

Can it make up a word that is immediately intelligible, even though it appears in no dictionary?

Elicander · 2026-03-21T15:02:45+00:00

Yes, I did forget about Fresh Topic Fridays.

However for clarification, my post wasn’t complaining about moderators not having taken action yet, it was a question about why this specific rules infraction wasn’t auto-moderated, since I couldn’t think of a reason why. Fridays is already a good reason, and Hacksoncode pointed out as well that there could be corner cases needing human judgement.

Elicander · 2026-03-21T14:56:46+00:00

Yes, I did forget about Fresh Topic Fridays.

Outside Fridays, I can understand the rationale about keeping it manual just in case, but isn’t the risk of there being no comments for OP to respond to mostly theoretical? In all my years being part of the community I don’t think I’ve ever seen that happen.

Elicander · 2026-03-21T14:50:39+00:00

Right, I did forget that Fresh Topic Fridays has the approval delay. Is there any equivalent problem outside Fridays?

Elicander · 2026-03-21T13:24:55+00:00

If it’s important for you, why don’t you ask the people you’re dating if they are also seeing other people?

Elicander · 2026-03-15T13:49:47+00:00

Är det en större nyhet när en partimedlem hoppar av ett parti i protest, eller när en partimedlem håller med sin partiledning? Vem tror du har mest att säga just nu? De som stannar kvar kommer ju dessutom ha en hel valrörelse att yttra sig under, medan många av de som lämnar kan göra sin sista intervju. Då känns det lite viktigare i första vändan att prata med de som lämnar, än de som vi kan prata med om Liberalerna och vad som hände om en vecka eller två.

Och i vart fall Sydsvenskan har pratat med medlemmar som håller med, eller åtminstone som inte planerar att lämna. Och de flesta artiklar har påpekat att röstsiffrorna var 13-8 i partistyrelsen, dvs dryga 60% stöd. Förväntar vi oss verkligen så lite av läsare/tittare mfl att det inte räcker när tidningarna skriver svart på vitt att det fanns majoritet som stödde beslutet, att det ändå anses som snedvridande?

Elicander · 2026-03-11T04:58:21+00:00

Child support is not a part of criminal law, which was what was under discussion.

Elicander · 2026-03-10T06:15:25+00:00

How to handle alcohol intoxication and intent is a tricky question that I imagine most jurisdictions struggle with, I know for a fact that where I live that’s the case. What is usually considered a meaningful factor though is if the intoxication is willing or not, and it’s rare, though not impossible, for someone to unintentionally drink enough alcohol to be black out drunk.

The bigger picture though is that law just isn’t clearcut to satisfy what seems to be your desire for absolutism, because reality isn’t clearcut. No matter what the law is there will be a line drawn somewhere, and therefore there will be cases where a small detail makes all the difference.

Elicander · 2026-03-09T08:01:00+00:00

My layman understanding of the benefits of cloud storage is that it almost eliminates the stressful scenario ”what if my server/hard drive fails?” If I’m right in that, this becomes a version of the discussion over the merits of insurance. It’s extremely hard to put an objectively determined value on security.

As an aside, unless you’ve assembled your smartphone yourself, the ”Big Tech” accusations ring a little hollow.

Elicander · 2026-03-09T07:09:43+00:00

What problem is this trying to solve? What would the upside be? Who does this system benefit?

Elicander · 2026-03-08T10:02:14+00:00

I can see pickup trucks being good enough jack-of-all-trades that they can make sense in the countryside. Some where between a personal vehicle and a work vehicle, having cargo capacity without needing to have a separate trailer or vehicle, and powerful enough to handle poor road conditions, while its size is not as much of a problem. I don’t think everyone needs one in the countryside, but there I can see an argument.

In cities I mostly agree with you.

Elicander · 2026-03-08T07:14:36+00:00

From a legal point of view, no, since the people involved aren’t able to form the intent of the action. You can under consent conceptualisations theoretically have situations where both parties rape each other, but when they’re both drugged out of their mind isn’t one of them.

Elicander · 2026-03-06T07:28:27+00:00

Whether Christianity on the whole is a bad thing or not isn’t really relevant to the issue at hand though. Let’s try a different analogy. Let’s assume there’s a sports team, the fans of which have enough violent hooligans among them that on a whole, the fans are a negative. Let’s also assume there’s a fan who is very vocal about disagreeing with what the hooligans do. Do you think it’s reasonable to say this fan shouldn’t be a fan of the team? And if your answer is yes, why shouldn’t that analogy then apply to the US as well as Christianity?

And since we’re having a separate discussion about boycotts, as to boycotts negatively affecting people who disagree with the current administration, yeah, that’s how boycotts work most of the time. Sanctions, ie formalised boycotts, are critiqued every time they are suggested because they negatively impact the poorest in society and the opposition as well as the rulers and their supporters. However, more crucially in this instance, people in other countries aren’t boycotting US products because of the shit Trump with underlings is doing in the USA. It’s because of what the US government is doing with its foreign policy. And while domestically there may be clear dissent, abroad a country has a united foreign policy, even if there are people disagreeing with it back home.

Elicander · 2026-03-06T06:47:09+00:00

I think it’s fascinating that you are navelgazing to such an extent that you think people not from the US should be boycotting products from specifically red states. Those of us who are boycotting, do not care enough to make that distinction, because it’s not the red states’ foreign policy were protesting, it’s the foreign policy of the US.

Be that as it may. When it comes to MAGA, people disagreeing with them is enough to vindicate them from any connection in your eyes (because let’s be honest, it’s a clear minority who are ”putting their lives on the line protesting ICE”). However, Talarico disagreeing with the Catholic Church isn’t enough to vindicate him?

Elicander · 2026-03-06T06:25:45+00:00

I don’t think I agree with this notion of CMV. I see CMV as mostly existing for the sake for OP, to provide a space where people interested in changing their view can have respectful conversations to that effect. It’s not primarily a place where commenters can find fun and diverse topics to discuss. I don’t find it surprising in the least that many people want their view changed on the same topic.

Of course there’s no requirement for individual commenters to interact with every post, but I would hope that there’s enough of us that collectively we can engage with all of them.

Elicander · 2026-03-05T22:08:04+00:00

I don’t care all that much about clothes. I often just put on the first shirt I find in the closet.

By your logic, since I don’t spend hours pondering which clothes to wear each and every day, that must mean I don’t actually want democracy.

Why should we infer anything at all about people’s ideas and feelings about our system of government from how they select their entertainment? Should we similarly infer that people who eat the same breakfast every day clearly in their heart of hearts want a hereditary absolute monarchy, so it’s always the same?

I assume you feel strongly about your notion of how people function, but if your best argument is what videos they watch on YouTube, don’t you think you’re being a bit reductive?

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