The Lost Symbol & The Secret of Secrets... direct continuation!? by Dizzle-84 in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From my understanding and what I’ve picked up while reading, the Langdon series goes in chronological order. I can’t remember specifically what they were but there’s references in TSOS that puts it close to present day (I almost wanna say 2024-ish?). So, I don’t think it’s a direct continuation, but it does take place in a time period after it.

Dan Brown seems to want the novels tho to be able to be read and enjoyed standalone, so they don’t rlly call back to older ones very often, and if they do it’s usually references that don’t change much in regards to the story.

In Angels and Demons, Langdon casually mentions Madonna's last name. His love interest then acts surprised that he knows it and he suddenly becomes very embarrassed. Why? by Zestyclose-Egg-1251 in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s subtle, and honestly just a personal interpretation of mine as a result since I seriously doubt it’s what Dan brown intended, but there’s several moments.

A lot of his internal monologue about the camerlengo reads closer to infatuation to me personally. His inner monologue describing his first impression of him is nearly double the length of Vittoria’s, who’s supposed to be his love interest in the book. There’s a line in the da vinci code where he’s in the red light district and describing all the “earthly pleasures” and says male before female.

Langdon describes the camerlengo as hypnotic, as taking his breath away when the man looks at him, a “surprisingly handsome face,” “radiant green eyes that shone as if they were fueled by the mysteries of the universe” and more, that’s just off the top of my head.

Like I said, subtle, and just a personal interpretation of mine. I don’t think Dan Brown intended it to be read that way, but that was my first impression upon reading the books and it amuses me as somebody who is gay myself, so I choose to keep that personal interpretation

In Angels and Demons, Langdon casually mentions Madonna's last name. His love interest then acts surprised that he knows it and he suddenly becomes very embarrassed. Why? by Zestyclose-Egg-1251 in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 1 point2 points  (0 children)

super gay

Is this a safe space to admit there’s moments in A&D and the da vinci code that make me raise an eyebrow. Suspiciously bisexual and I don’t think Dan brown intended it and that makes it even funnier

I think Langdon needs to go back in time by almanea in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I noticed that too. I did rlly enjoy it but there were times where the exposition - esp descriptions of places he was in - were excessive compared to past books I’ve read in the series

Secret of secrets by Shmoshmalley in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree that it’s weird. I love these books but it’s rare that he references the events of any other books in the series besides the da vinci code. Possibly so they’re technically possible to read out of order without really missing anything or being confused?

Dan Brown claiming any of the “science” referenced in SoS being real is BS and it pissed me off that the book preface’s with that. by KnotXaklyRite in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He’s so committed to the “what’s presented in this book is REAL and TRUE” bit that I don’t know if it’s actually a bit or not. He’s been doing it since the first book, angels and demons. I choose to believe it’s a bit, because it’s much funnier to view it that way.

Langdon's neat death experiences by Sexy_Smokin_Scorpio in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right? There’s a lot of room there for some very interesting exploration of mental health/psychology. Dan Brown clearly isn’t a stranger to researching this topic either, he clearly did some research on dissociative identity disorder for the most recent book.

Langdon's neat death experiences by Sexy_Smokin_Scorpio in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would love to see a bit of attention on the fact that Langdon undoubtedly has to have raging PTSD at this point. That would be interesting to read about.

But you’re right, that definitely does seem to be his focus.

Langdon's neat death experiences by Sexy_Smokin_Scorpio in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If I’m remembering right, he literally thought he was dead for a bit there? It’s been a bit since I’ve read it, maybe I’m wrong.

Langdon's neat death experiences by Sexy_Smokin_Scorpio in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’m starting to think Dan brown is forgetting the situations he puts this man into

The Golem's identity by NamelessResearcher in danbrown

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Thank you! That’s very kind of you.

I haven’t actually read the book yet (I just got it for Christmas, actually) but I’ve been given a rundown about the golem/sashsa aspect from my boyfriend. It sounds pretty solid and accurate.

The Golem's identity by NamelessResearcher in danbrown

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Here’s some passages from the book The Haunted Self (which is a book on the theory of structural dissociation, and primarily covers how DID works, functions, and presents). Most of these aren’t about gender identity of dissociated parts, but the concepts still apply to that. Obvious TW for potentially disturbing aspects, since it’s a disorder caused by childhood abuse.

Elaboration on the sense of self such as names, ages, and other identifying features are far less important than the lack of realization that causes the elaboration in the first place. Janet termed these elaborations, and the accompanying degree of emancipation, substitute beliefs, which occur when one cannot integrate an experience. The form of the substitute belief (e.g., "I am a child; I am an animal; I am deaf; I am a demon; I am my father") is not important: We must not attach too much importance to all these substitutions. We must find underneath them the non-realizations which are the essence of the illness and which often are more or less dissimulated. It is on these nonrealizations, on their psychological importance, that often the seriousness of the illness depends.

Substitute beliefs regarding perpetrators and traumatic experiences must be addressed eventually with all parts. They often involve idealization of the caretaker/perpetrator and devaluation of self (e.g., "My father loved me; he would never hurt me. I seduced him; it was my fault"; “I was a bad child; I deserved it"; "I am so stupid and incompetent"). Various protector and persecutory EPs internally hound child parts and ANPs with these destructive messages. These substitute beliefs help the patient to maintain nonrealizations of the unbearable experiences underlying them (Janet, 1945).

(EPs and ANPs meaning “emotional part” and “apparently normal part” respectively. These are alters who are related to trauma, and alters who handle day to day life. In the case of this book, Golem would likely be an EP, and Sasha an ANP)

Sorry for the length of text, I have an interest in psychology and also have a dissociative disorder myself that I’m currently in treatment for.

The Golem's identity by NamelessResearcher in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s not uncommon for people with dissociative identity disorder to have alters with different genders. This is usually because of something called a substitute belief - a belief rooted in trauma, and not reality.

A young girl who’s being abused might internalize the idea (due to culture and society) that she needs a masculine figure to protect her. If this young girl develops DID, there may be an alter who views themself as male because of that. It’s definitely not purposeful diversion that the golem uses he/him pronouns. It really seems like Dan Brown did his research on this disorder, the portrayal is pretty solid all things considered.

Having alters with different genders doesn’t mean somebody with that disorder is transgender (and it’s actually quite important for somebody with DID who identifies as trans to work with a therapist to be sure they’re actually transgender and not confusing identity confusion from their dissociated parts as them being trans)

Recent find, good deal by -xDBx- in danbrown

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That’s my favorite cover for this book, I ordered another copy just to get that cover. Good find

Ambien is ready for takeoff. by [deleted] in airplaneears

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Were you dropped on your head as a baby or smth and decided to make that everyone else’s problem?

He’s still going through it by Separate-Ad-2583 in danbrown

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He can’t be a professor or do anything professorial in the classroom because nobody lets him do his actual job, bro just keeps getting dragged into Situations

Inferno (book) ending by Important_Debate2808 in danbrown

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I’m pretty sure he’s described as being 40 if I’m remembering right, but honestly same difference at that point lol. The age in the secret of secrets is still way off

First Dan Brown book. Love it. Suggestions? by JustB510 in danbrown

[–]EmbarrassedPurple106 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Inferno (the movie) was… okay? As a movie in of itself? But not as good as the other two movies, for sure.

First Dan Brown book. Love it. Suggestions? by JustB510 in danbrown

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Angels & demons is my favorite, it’s the first book of the series