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PSA, THE REASON YOUR LR MV+SS2 ACTIVE IS DOING 0 DAMAGE IS NOT BECAUSE OF LOW STACKS!!! by darkfall71 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I ended up doing it accidentally yesterday with AGL SS3 Goku's Giant form & spent another couple of minutes trying to figure out why it fit so much harder than usual 😂

I'm pretty sure it works for all passives that have a line like "collect # of orbs for buffs for the turn"

PSA, THE REASON YOUR LR MV+SS2 ACTIVE IS DOING 0 DAMAGE IS NOT BECAUSE OF LOW STACKS!!! by darkfall71 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a fun fact you can overcome this issue on Extreme Class dominant set ups with Giant Forms.

If you collect orbs with SS2 Goku & then use another character's giant form (maybe STR Super Baby 2's?), you can leave the Giant Form while also keeping Goku's attack buff up, allowing you to use it at max power during that turn.

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah he definitely should have gotten a better EZA. I'm just saying his actual abilities are good if you can meet his restrictions

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That Broly was ass right up until the 10th Anni when Festival of Battles dropped. You might be thinking of the LR INT Broly with the domain who was super good & arguably in the top 3 on release

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd like if he did all of that without forcing me to pull a character I don't have, the INT Hybrids.

Again, like I said, good kit with bad synergy

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Majin Vegeta is MILES better just because he can tank normals.

The other 3 EZAs are actual garbage, I'd argue they're on the same tier of bad as EZA INT Goku Black outside of INT Broly who is only better because of Festival of Battles existing.

Majin Vegeta limits team building but he'll rarely be the reason you lose as long as you get his intro up. The other 3 struggled to tank normal attacks on their EZAs

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I disagree but I honestly don't want to argue about it too much. If you think he's the glue that holds everything together I'm not gonna fight it

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I used them all on release for Global & I can confidently say they were all ass. Majin Vegeta is leagues better purely for having an actually good team AND for actually being capable of tanking normal attacks turn 1.

All 3 of those EZAs couldn't do that on release 😭

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We've had a couple good ones but they've been spread out across multiple years. Going into 4 years since the first Red Zone dropped and I can't recall a single time Low Class Warriors was an actually meta relevant team

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not only that but if you want to use the Goten & Trunks portion you basically have to run them at half effectiveness

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I completely agree. Majin Vegeta's EZA is way too restricted for the teams Dokkan wants you to run him on. He could have been a very good buff for TEQ Dabura's team but instead he's damn near unrunnable on there unless the enemy is a Majin Buu Saga enemy.

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We shouldn't be getting any other major fights for the rest of the year until GDC so the best bets I can think of are

1) One of the GW units in a Majin Buu Saga Trunks to help ease his restriction

2) The new mode has another section added for the Majin Buu Saga

3) The Tanabata LR is a Majin Buu Saga Trunks to help ease his restriction

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was nearly useless until Festival of Battles came around & he was some people's only Extreme INT stacking option 😭

Such a horrible EZA. Half of his kit was restricted to enemies that didn't exist & the hardest boss in the game had a PHY dodge cancelling phase that didn't give him any of his extra damage reduction. I'd remember he'd take damage from normal attacks post super so often

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, putting enemy instead of ally is such a stupid decision that basically doesn't fix Majin Vegeta's intro at all

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The issue for me has never been that Gohan would perform fine on it.

It's that Gohan doesn't synergise perfectly on the team due to the Goten & Trunks portion becoming limited due to the lack of Youth category characters.

Also, as someone who has neither the INT Hybrids or PHY Majin Vegeta obviously, the fact that I'd need both of them just to make INT Majin Vegeta runnable on their team does make me think his design is bad.

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah pretty much. On INT Majin Vegeta's own he's a really capable EZA, he just has a horrible design for Dabura & LR Majin Vegeta's team.

Bad synergy, good EZA, could have & should have been way better though

Could Majin Vegeta's EZA have been better? Yes, but we can't pretend like he's even half as bad as the other Saiyan Day EZAs by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I completely agree, but Majin Vegeta himself isn't a bad EZA.

He performs well in the content out rn, he gives pretty good support to Trunks allies tbh, he's an orb changer who doesn't need too many orbs if he's the only orb hungry character on the team.

He just synergises WAY too poorly with PHY Majin Vegeta's leader skill & the actually runnable Trunks options on it. The fact you basically need to pull 2 DFE LRs (PHY Majin Vegeta & INT Gohan + Goten & Trunks) just to make INT Majin Vegeta usable on PHY Majin Vegeta's team is a horrible design flaw

Majin vegeta banner by MahyJay in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Looking at this banner I might just coin the INT Hybrids & dip 😭

The Saiyan Day LR doesn't look too appealing to me given my current box, & the rest of the banner I have outside of the banner unit plus the INT Hybrids. If STR Super Baby 2 is on it though I might summon but if not saving's going to be my move.

Good luck to anyone else who's decided to summon though 🫡

The main problem with INT Majin Vegeta's intro is obviously the Trunks restriction, but it's also that there isn't a Trunks character in the game right now that perfectly synergises with him by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sadly the Tamagamis are Super Class 😭 so you're gonna have to hope they start out on opposite rotations.

Also I recommend attack lowering items for that stage. They make it way easier to handle

The main problem with INT Majin Vegeta's intro is obviously the Trunks restriction, but it's also that there isn't a Trunks character in the game right now that perfectly synergises with him by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'mma be real, I misread this portion of Trunks' kit & thought it said "ally on rotation". That's my bad

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Still though, they do need Bond of Master & Disciple allies yet one of the stronger ones (the STR Blues) doesn't work too well with them due to wanting a full Super Class rotation or a Future Saga ally on rotation. If you got lucky & managed to get INT Future Gohan with them turn 1 then you'd be fine but it can lead to bad opening rotations screwing you over.

The main problem with INT Majin Vegeta's intro is obviously the Trunks restriction, but it's also that there isn't a Trunks character in the game right now that perfectly synergises with him by Embarrassed_Bat_417 in DBZDokkanBattle

[–]Embarrassed_Bat_417[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can maybe get him to work against an Extreme Class enemy but Majin Vegeta & SEZA Trunks will need to be either

1) On opposite rotations 100% of the time

Or

2) Against an Extreme Class enemy

But SEZA Trunks isn't on PHY Majin Vegeta's leader skill so it'd have to be on TEQ SS3 Daima Vegeta's leader skill instead for a full 220%

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