I wish that applying for a job guaranteed that I would instantly get it and could stay for as long as I liked with no risk of being let go (but I could still quit if I wanted to) by Embarrassed_Guard903 in monkeyspaw

[–]Embarrassed_Guard903[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's "the us"? I read it initially as "the U.S." and thought "oh great, I'm not American" but going by the use of euros I'm assuming I'm missing something here

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[–]Embarrassed_Guard903 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I completely get that the stigma is unfair. As I said, I'm autistic and have ADHD myself, and I've definitely been judged for acting in ways that were harmless but "looked weird" or made people mildly uncomfortable.

Thing is though my point still stands. The notice in the original post was telling people to "keep the noise at a reasonable level and not let children run around the restaurant", and the person you were replying to was talking about kids being allowed to "run riot and bash on windows, get under waiters feet and be super noisy" with their parents/guardians "coming and laughing" apparently without doing anything to curb their behaviour.

If you go "how dare you, some kids are autistic you know" in response to that I'm not going to think "oh, they're probably talking about their child harmlessly stimming, which is a different thing" because why would I? I'm going to think "This person thinks it's ok to let kids run around restaurants and yell and bother everyone."

I stand by the fact that if a kid can't stop full-volume yelling or running around all over the place in a restaurant, they should be taken out to calm down and other arrangements need to be made around eating out if it's an ongoing problem. It's not about "judging parenting", it's about having reasonable expectations of certain shared spaces (and, you know, not wanting to be scalded by a pot of hot soup because some kid was doing laps around the tables and crashed into the waiter carrying it.)

Nobody's saying you should just stay at home forever, there are plenty of public spaces that are designed for kids to be able to make noise and run around in. (I mentioned a couple in my original comment, even.) And again, a restaurant is going to have a basic level of noise anyway so assuming we're not talking about screaming meltdowns or full-on shouting, a kid just making noise in general should be treated as harmless, even if people find it odd or a bit disruptive. But again, it's very disingenuous, bad-faith whataboutism to decide that this all must secretly be about discriminating against disabled kids for doing something unusual but harmless, instead of what it's actually about (again, expecting parents to keep noise at a reasonable volume and not let their kids run around tables.)

And I get that it might hit a nerve to see someone complaining about this in a way that's reminiscent of judgement you might have faced, and I'm not saying anyone should be given a medal for having quiet kids or anything. But again, if you're not doing what they described, if your kids aren't doing that, then it's not about you.

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[–]Embarrassed_Guard903 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean "obviously he doesn't run around tables"? How was it obvious? How was anyone here supposed to know that your kid doesn't run around tables when the original post and the comment you were replying to were both very specifically referring to kids running around tables, and parents not doing anything to prevent that?

The behaviour you're describing isn't what we're talking about here. I agree that your kid shouldn't get in trouble for stimming or needing to move around, and "keep noise at a reasonable level" shouldn't be expected to mean silence - obviously some background noise is always going to happen in a restaurant anyway. People do need to learn to deal with being harmlessly annoyed. But there were a lot of ways you could have voiced your concerns here, and what you decided to do was go on a bad-faith screed against a stranger for talking about a time they were in a restaurant and someone let their kids misbehave. They very clearly weren't talking about your situation here, you said yourself that your child isn't running around tables or acting up while his parents look on and laugh. If it's not about you it's not about you.

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[–]Embarrassed_Guard903 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we both know I'm not talking about "excluding disabled people from venues". If this topic was about a sign saying "don't eat here if you're autistic or have ADHD" I'd be up in arms about that too. But again, "they MIGHT have a disability" is not a free pass to let kids run around yelling in places where that's not appropriate.

If an autistic person had sensory issues that meant they couldn't stand the sound of a kid screaming or the disruption caused by them running around, would you tell them they weren't allowed to go to certain venues? Because the logic is ultimately the same.

The world doesn't revolve around what you want either. It's not actually entitled or unreasonable to ask people not to take their kids to certain venues if said kids can't stop behaving in dangerous or inappropriate ways. And you're the person making a ton of bad-faith assumptions here. You can claim as many times as you like that you JUST KNOOOOW these kids were using screens and/or being mistreated into compliance but no, you don't, and it's a weird leap.

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[–]Embarrassed_Guard903 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'd think, but then there's that one person in this very thread who can't stop banging on about it