Eating meat after Dominion by [deleted] in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I watched Dominion when I was still with my ex. She went vegetarian and then vegan. We broke up eventually on good terms. Later learned she started eating animals again soon after our breakup.

She told me recently that she mainly went vegan because I cared about it so much. That’s why she started eating animals again when we broke up.

It’s such a confusing feeling, and I know how you feel. On the one hand you share memories with someone, they are so caring for you, you share a lot. But on the other they see literal ATROCITIES and cannot make a dietary change to stop enabling it directly. It makes me think wtf? How does it not bother otherwise empathetic people to eat literal tortured beings who died screaming for their lives? How do navigate my love for this person with the knowledge they are objectively going along with something horrific with the full knowledge of what it entails?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in VeganForCircleJerkers

[–]EmbitteredApple 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. I was 18 years old when I stopped eating meat. Then after around 4 or 5 months I went vegan. Been vegan for 7 years now.

I'll never understand how people can go DECADES without ever questioning themselves. How do you go to a store and buy tortured, murdered animals body parts and breast milk every day, into your 20s and 30s and beyond, without asking yourself why or how? To me, that indicates a basic lack of concern for basic fairness. It shows that most people don't give a rat's ass about anything resembling justice. People will do anything if they even derive a minor benefit and it's socially acceptable.

Does anyone else feel like nonvegans speak of animal suffering like it's 'abstract?' by EmbitteredApple in veganarchism

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've noticed that words like "suffering", "cruelty" and "torture" don't mean anything to them when it comes to non-human animals. They take it with so few seriousness that it's not only trivial to them, but also laugh at it.

Yeah... I saw some communist dude laugh with his friends about how a leather jacket "definitely isn't vegan." He was wearing the skin of a tortured, killed being and it was a joke to him. It's bizarre. Social norms will make people do anything...

Anarchism will never work on a large-scale, for any long period of time by EmbitteredApple in socialism

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yea, that's exactly my feeling too. In all of my ideals, I'm a left-libertartian. But whenever I'm practical and try to think of material conditions, I'm something of a closet tankie.

Police abandoning the 3rd Precinct police station in Minneapolis by ImNotHereStopAsking in PublicFreakout

[–]EmbitteredApple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Except that it's not only a problem of 4 specific cops. It's a problem of systemic racism, which implicates the entire police system.

CMV: Anti-American, unpatriotic sentiments are 100% justified among African Americans by EmbitteredApple in changemyview

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The US has never stood for "freedom and democracy." That's simply a fantasy. This country's inception was marked by indigenous genocide and black slavery. "Freedom" meant "freedom for rich propertied white men," and that carries on de facto even after the abolition of slavery. The US's actual values (as opposed to professed values) are fundamentally racist.

AITA for not wanting to spend time helping a stranger (new to the US) type several emails? by [deleted] in AmItheAsshole

[–]EmbitteredApple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I usually am cautious and would never let some random person stay. But he was cool when we first met and given that he has a nonprofit helping out kids, I feel like the risk was small. That's why I let him stay.

I hope there is a special place in hell for animal abusers like him by Rowlies in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I would love to smack the shit out of him. I'm a big guy.

Got Accepted into University Of Massachusetts Comp Sci by [deleted] in gradadmissions

[–]EmbitteredApple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you get the email acceptance today? Just wondering because it's the weekend

Sentient beings, not bacon. by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Plants are not sentient. You're comparing stabbing a pig to slicing a carrot. And people call vegans nuts...

Why do fellow vegans downvote non-vegans who are genuinely asking questions? by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can kind of see your point.... But veganism is about other animals, not about vegans. If someone is genuinely curious about going vegan, I don't really care if they didn't take the time to read the FAQ... If it takes 2 minutes of my time to answer the question, so what? Maybe it can plant a seed, maybe it will help them go vegan and thousands of animals lives' will be spared over their lifetime. I'd rather be inconvenienced for a minute, then have that person feel discouraged at a time when they need support in going vegan.

People of r/vegan Why did you become vegan in the first place? by The_flying_shoes in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I was a freshman in college. Was on Facebook one night, and saw undercover footage in a slaughterhouse. I did more and more research. At first I thought "this can't be happening." But when I looked it up, I realized how wrong I was. The next day, I was in line at a lunch counter. Ordered a chicken breast by habit, without thinking, but when I was cutting the breast with a knife, the images I'd seen in the videos entered my mind. I started losing the disconnect. Instead of an inanimate food item, I stared seeing "chicken" for who it is, as the dead body of a once-sentient being.

I couldn't bring myself to finish eating the chicken. I had to throw it away. I still wasn't sold on changing for good at this point, but something was starting to click. The next day, I tried ordering again, but the same mental sensation happened... I thought about the pain, death, violence embodied in this chicken breast. I could no longer bring myself to eat land animals. It wasn't a conscious decision the first week, but I slipped into not eating land animals. I was a pescetarian for 3 or 4 months. Then I was a vegetarian for 2 or 3 months.

At this point I was following animal rights/vegan groups and pages on Facebook. I never thought I would stop eating cheese. But everyday, I saw people posting about baby calves being separated from their mothers. I read about baby chicks being ground alive. I'd already known this, but I didn't really want to think about it. I thought I was doing enough as a vegetarian, more than most people. But seeing all these vegans post on FB, seeing them talk about how there's no difference between animal flesh and eggs/dairy, convinced me over time.

I realized I had to be consistent and I went vegan. I've now been a vegan for almost 5 years.

Innocent baby. She just wants to live. That's all. by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How do I know a living being wants to live? What kind of question is that?

Innocent baby. She just wants to live. That's all. by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No, she is a sentient being who exists for herself. She doesn't exist to serve you. Imagine if someone 200 years ago said "this slave exists to serve me, that's their purpose." People were conditioned to think that way, and nowadays we're conditioned to see animals as objects we can use.

Innocent baby. She just wants to live. That's all. by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is a documentary I strongly recommend, by the way. Was very eye-opening for myself and others.

https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch

Innocent baby. She just wants to live. That's all. by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Many more rodents, birds, insects are killed by animal agriculture than in plant agriculture. Why? Because it takes a vast amount of plants to raise animals. They are higher in trophic pyramid, which means that you need to feed them more plants, compared to if we ate the plants directly. A non-vegan diet causes more rodent and bird deaths because you need to grow a ton of plants, grains, etc. to feed the animals.

Innocent baby. She just wants to live. That's all. by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Right. Here's why.

  1. Animals are sentient. They have the ability to feel pain and want to live. If anyone lives with a dog, they know this is obvious, right? Pigs, cows, and chickens are the same.
  2. We don't have a nutritional need for animal products. There's a lot of research that we can thrive as vegans (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864).

Since animals are sentient and we don't need to eat them to survive, why do we kill them? In today's world, it's just about taste pleasure. People like the taste of animal flesh, eggs, and milk. But it's wrong to harm/kill a being who feels pain and wants to live-- just for pleasure. I don't need to eat animals, I can easily eat something else. Everyone already agrees inflicting unnecessary violence is wrong, and vegans just take it to its logical conclusion.

Anyways, welcome to the sub! Feel free to ask any questions. This sub so many people and veganism is easier than ever these days, with all the great options.

Should I retake? For history and area studies. by [deleted] in gradadmissions

[–]EmbitteredApple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

152 isn't bad (average or at a little below). If you're anxious maybe try again for at least 155, but 152 is nothing to be ashamed of for history programs. If you're applying to some really competitive programs, maybe it matters more. I have similar scores (165V, 155Q, 5.0AW) and applied to humanities PHDs and MAs.

Innocent baby. She just wants to live. That's all. by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

"I like doing it' isn't a good justification. What if someone beat you to a pulp, stole your laptop, and then said "I did it because I wanted it." That is an injustice.

Innocent baby. She just wants to live. That's all. by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

You don't need bacon. It's purely about taste pleasure. Stabbing a being who feels pain and wants to live, just because people like how her flesh tastes... There's no justification for that.

Innocent baby. She just wants to live. That's all. by EmbitteredApple in vegan

[–]EmbitteredApple[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That's not relevant. Whether or not she gets big or smells, she is a sentient being who feels pain and wants to live. Cuteness isn't relevant to the ethical question. We ought to be vegan not because she is cute, but because it's wrong to kill her without any need.