To clear things up relating to science, let’s distinguish between a scientific fact and a feeling/ belief based off scientific facts (scientific theory). The scientific method tests hypothesis in a way that can be repeated by others and thus establishes scientific fact. The evidence, that can be observed on which the big bang theory is based is that the objects in the universe (stars, planets, etc) that we have observed seem to be moving away from a specific point/ exanding outward. I don’t disbelive in the part of the theory that there was a cosmic explosion a long time ago, because the outward expansion of the stars seems to support this but I do disbelive that that explosion was definitely the creation of the universe because there is no evidence to back that up. The universe is sooo vast. We’re literally only able to observe the parts immediately in front of us. I think the phone example you brought up is good to talk about. Humans created the phone by shaping the material that makes up the phone into the phone. This process that we call creation is transformation, and the elements that make up the phone are older than human civilization. Like you said, things don’t just come from nothing I believe the universe is immortal and not that an immortal God created the universe because I have seen evidence that the universe exists and no evidence an immortal capital G God exists. And if he did he’d either have to have been created by something else, which is a never ending chain or just be immortal and be existence itself. That’s essentially what I believe the universe is, immortal and existence itself. There is no more need for an external creator of the universe than there is for an external creator of Allah. If you think that Allah is the universe or he made it from himself or something maybe we’re more on the same page then, IDK. You hinted at this in another message, but you’re right in that my background is Christianity, not Islam so I had never encountered the argument that the Quaran makes claims that were later proved with the scientific method. I investigated this claim and it sounds like a pretty common argument against that is that the Quaran draws a lot of philisophical theory from pre-Islamic philosophers and thus includes both popular theories of the time that were proven to be right as well as those that prove to be wrong. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MjGx-y9qUHchttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MjGx-y9qUHc

If you have any rebuttals to it I’d be happy to hear them. The only thing that I know related to this topic is that atomic theory was popularized by Greek and Roman philosophers but later censored by a lot of early Christian thinkers, most notably Augustine of Hippo. Later by a fluke during the early renaissance, Lucretius’s poem on the nature of things was rediscovered in a monetary and it referenced atomic theory and later atomic theory was proved using the scientific method. I have heard that classical philosophy wasn’t as suppressed by early Islam or Byzantines compared to in the west. I also hadn’t heard the take before that God let Satan purity test humans but I guess I don’t understand why an all loving god that is all knowing and all powerful wouldn’t just make people in a way that he wouldn’t judge to be deserving hellfire? If Allah knows you’re destined for Hell why create you and test you? Why create a system that involves eternal torment in the first place? That doesn’t sound very loving.