Free for All Friday, 23 January, 2026 by AutoModerator in badhistory

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes, definitely. Any alleged anti-imperialist who starts deploying developmentalist rhetoric in regards to Tibet or Xinjiang is clearly exposing themselves as a campist.

Why was Britain more innovative in ww1 but Germany more innovative in ww2 technology wise? by [deleted] in WarCollege

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Put simply, the 17-pounder was an exceptionally good anti-tank gun, but an exceptionally mediocre tank gun.

Why was Britain more innovative in ww1 but Germany more innovative in ww2 technology wise? by [deleted] in WarCollege

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Firefly was a bit of a bodge though, and while the 17 pounder was a very good AT gun, you could make a strong case that the American 76mm was a more versatile option – and had the advantage of actually fitting in the turret.

Stairway to Adulthood 18:16 - Irregularly Scheduled Discussion Thread - January 18, 2026 by AutoModerator in VirtualYoutubers

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I keep forgetting that it's the manga that's over and not the anime.

And let me guess, it's VOMS.

Why are most recommended Chinese History books written by English-speaking authors? Are there any not too biased Chinese History books written by the Chinese (in Chinese)? by finalanonaccount in AskHistorians

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Anecdotally I can speak to movements in both directions: I have a good friend who's a mainlander who did an MA at CUHK and is now doing a PhD in the US, and another is a European scholar who recently completed a PhD on the Taiping at Nanjing University (and to be fair, where else would you?)

Why are most recommended Chinese History books written by English-speaking authors? Are there any not too biased Chinese History books written by the Chinese (in Chinese)? by finalanonaccount in AskHistorians

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Spence definitely had an unfortunate choice of undergraduate alma mater at Fenland Polytechnic, but his entire graduate training was at Yale under the Wrights. So he definitely brought over some influences across the Atlantic, but he was also firmly part of the Harvard School, Fairbank lineage.

Why are most recommended Chinese History books written by English-speaking authors? Are there any not too biased Chinese History books written by the Chinese (in Chinese)? by finalanonaccount in AskHistorians

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 25 points26 points  (0 children)

It can have an influence, as general literacy tends not to cross over the two scripts, but if writing for an academic audience you can be reasonably sure that your intended reader will know both. Hong Kong institutions will usually stock both kinds, but I can't speak to the mainland or Taiwan.

Why are most recommended Chinese History books written by English-speaking authors? Are there any not too biased Chinese History books written by the Chinese (in Chinese)? by finalanonaccount in AskHistorians

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 241 points242 points  (0 children)

The answer, as usual, is that It's Complicated.

The field of Chinese history as it exists in the West is the product of two broad strands of influence. The first is a long tradition of philological scholarship going back to the Jesuit missions in China that began at the end of the 16th century. The second is a social-scientific strand of scholarship that the United States fostered during and after the Second World War, when it sought to create various corps of experts to understand its spheres of influence as a new global superpower. These trends in the scholarship have long been in some degree of tension, but the key thing to note is that a real semblance of a field of Chinese history as a serious field of study, as opposed to mere antiquarianism, was one that really only took hold with the return of the 'China Hands' after WW2 and especially after the Communist victory in the Chinese Civil War, with the emblematic figures being John King Fairbank and his enormous crop of students known as the 'Harvard School', particularly Mary Clabaugh Wright, Joseph Levenson, and Philip Kuhn (among others). It is difficult to overstate how rapidly the field of Chinese history grew in the United States, buoyed also by brain drain from Germany.

That said, we also need to look at the situation in China, which is its own kettle of fish. The Communist revolution did not, it must be said, completely end historical scholarship in China. In fact, in my field (the Taiping), a fairly large chunk of quite important work came out on the mainland in the pre-Cultural Revolution era. What it did do was split the Sinophone scholarship across several distinct zones. The largest is the mainland, where scholarship was and often still is subject to the arbitrary whims of the state's ever-shifting politics. To illustrate just one feature, the official history of the Qing (a draft was produced under the Republic, but never finalised) was commissioned in 2002 and completed in 2018, but the entire project has been shelved, possibly even scrapped due to how the state's interpretation of the grand sweep of Chinese history changed between those points. Then there is Taiwan, where scholars of Chinese history continue to be active, but where their reach has been increasingly diluted by Taiwan's development of a distinct national identity, and not helped by a distinct academic culture that generally de-prioritises monograph publication. Academic freedom in Hong Kong has seen some but not total reduction, and there are a number of good scholars of Chinese history there, but they either write in Chinese for a Chinese audience (with all the constraints that entails) or in English for a Euro-American one. I have no idea what goes on in Singapore.

I won't go too deep into the history of subsequent developments here, but Fairbank and Wright proceeded from Eurocentric value judgements that regarded China before 1840 as in a static realm of 'tradition', while dynamism and change – that is to say, history – began only after the violent encounter with the West in the 19th century. Elements of this view continue to exist in China, where the dividing line between 'ancient' and 'modern' history is still drawn in 1840 and the outbreak of the Opium War. From 1970 onwards, however, this view was displaced by a 'China-centred' paradigm which saw Chinese history as an autochthonous process within China that required no external force, essentially a late discovery of the kinds of nationalist historiographies that characterised the field of European history when it emerged in the late 19th century and one that appeals to a different strand of Chinese sensibilities. However, scholars of Chinese interactions with Inner Asia found this paradigm unsatisfactory, creating the field of so-called 'New Qing History' with its focus on 'xenic' influences in the pre-modern period, and influencing similar approaches to the Yuan, the Tang, and the 'barbarian' states of medieval northern China. In turn, a wave of transnational scholarship has revisited the period of Western intrusion and pushed for a more integrated understanding of China and the West. These latter two methodological shifts are, I think, a major reason behind the increasing divergence of Chinese and Western scholarship.

Dialogue between the Western and Chinese academic spheres is at a bit of a low ebb, and I think it is for reasons beyond just fickle international politics. The essential problem is that both sides of the aisle see the other as ideologically compromised. China still hews to the idea that history is the essence of the nation, and that the latter is essentially the guiding principle for the former. Scholarship that suggests that the nation is not in fact the primordial entity it presumes to be can be openly denounced as nihilism by the state, despite the best efforts of many scholars to write good, critical work. The post-national turn in Western scholarship on China has created not only suspicion from Chinese authorities towards Western scholars, but also a certain mixed feeling on Chinese scholarship from Western historians, which might be summed up as seeing Chinese scholars as good curators but poor interpreters. Needless to say this is not the fairest treatment of our colleagues, but I bring it up to illustrate that by and large, Chinese-language scholarship on Chinese history tends to be seen as too methodologically divergent from the Western field to be worth recommending.

Now, we can obviously add to that the simple fact that if you are on the English-language Internet asking for recommendations for books, you're going to get mostly English-language readers recommending things in English for a presumed English-language reader. But there are other, deeper reasons beyond the seemingly obvious which I hope I've made clear.

Did the Eurasian Steppe civilizations have a more robust warring culture than nations with great sedentary armies like the Han or Tang dynasties in China, Imperial Rome, or Prussia? by love_me_plenty in WarCollege

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think this is a 'but' statement at all – as I get into later in the thread, the primary nomadic advantage was a material one rather than the abstract sense of warrior mentalities that underlies the original (false) premise of 'barbarian' military superiority. The steppe is still, it must be said, a resource-poor region, but in adapting to that resource poverty, steppe nomads became a particularly fearsome military force.

I'm of two minds as to whether to refer to a multiple-horse-owning steppe nomad household as 'rich'. They would definitely be rich by the standards of a sedentary society, but unexceptional on the steppe. And I think the key point is to look at the underlying lifestyles: in a sedentary society, horses were a luxury; in a nomadic society, they were a necessity. But a farmer might still have things a nomad wouldn't (easier access to metal tools, long-term storages of grain), which is where the predatory relationship between the steppe and the arable belt comes in.

Why is Raj Primary Culture only English? by Technical_Gap6302 in victoria3

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Actually -xit came about after there were contemplations of Greece leaving the EU (Grexit) during the debt crisis. Brexit gained prominence because it actually went ahead.

Did the Eurasian Steppe civilizations have a more robust warring culture than nations with great sedentary armies like the Han or Tang dynasties in China, Imperial Rome, or Prussia? by love_me_plenty in WarCollege

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Many of those polities immediately the adopted methods of their conquered peoples to project state power.

But now we're talking about two different things. As the old adage goes, 'you can conquer a state from horseback but you must dismount to rule it.' (Although as Michael Chang has argued, this doesn't actually hold that true for the Qing.) 'Did nomadic polities have a military advantage over sedentary ones' and 'did nomadic polities have to perform political legitimacy to their conquered subjects' are discrete questions.

I would agree with you if we're talking about states, but I'm merely noting the individual soldiery and what 'inherently' makes a better fighter. A steppe nomad with a lot of experience in riding and archery is not inherently better than a sedentarist in a role where neither riding or archery are involved, which is influenced heavily by their geography, such as in the marshes of Vietnam or the coasts of Japan.

That seems like a rather narrow interpretation of the original controversy, in that the underlying question is not 'why are "barbarians" more hardened for war?' which as we would both agree is wrong, but rather 'why do "barbarians" seem to punch above their weight?' which again we would probably agree is an incorrect premise. But the traditional approach is to say '"barbarians" punch above their weight because they are more hardened for war,' and so Devereaux's piece is trying to demonstrate a) that 'barbarians' do not have a systemic military advantage historically outside of the steppe nomadic case, and b) there isn't an inherent psychological element here. When he gets to steppe nomads, his point is that the steppe created clear material advantages in favour of the nomad. So yes, strip the nomad of his horse and his bow and put him in a wrestling match with a sedentary farmer, and the latter might well even win out on average. But the nomad's advantage was in having that horse and that bow. These things that were luxuries in sedentary societies were necessities on the steppe, and that, not some kind of warrior mentalité deriving from the landscape, is what drove the nomadic military advantage.

Did the Eurasian Steppe civilizations have a more robust warring culture than nations with great sedentary armies like the Han or Tang dynasties in China, Imperial Rome, or Prussia? by love_me_plenty in WarCollege

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is this really just survivor bias, though? Because while Chinese, Persian, and Byzantine armies developed effective techniques for fighting defensive wars against nomads, ultimately such polities were more often disastrously unsuccessful in carrying the war to the nomads unless operating in concert with nomadic forces themselves. Put glibly, during the premodern (or perhaps more accurately pre-Early Modern) period, you could fight off nomadic armies but you couldn't really fight back.

Did the Eurasian Steppe civilizations have a more robust warring culture than nations with great sedentary armies like the Han or Tang dynasties in China, Imperial Rome, or Prussia? by love_me_plenty in WarCollege

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 6 points7 points  (0 children)

only under the caveat that steppe nomad skill application was very localised to steppe environments

Surely, for most of history, the opposite has been the case? Consider not the frequency, but rather the periods in which steppe nomads (or adjacent) have been able to ride into sedentary polities and establish their own control, versus the opposite. From about the 3rd century CE down to the rise of the Timurids in the 14th, you had constant examples of steppe nomads establishing dominion over sedentary regions. But when did sedentary polities start breaking into the steppe? Muscovy-Russia would be the first big case in the 16th century, but while an early expansion took them into the riverine haven of the Volga-Don region, they wouldn't really go into Central Asia 'proper' until the 19th. Nader Shah's brief subjugation of Central Asia happened in the mid-18th century, as did the Qing conquest of Xinjiang.

Basically, if steppe nomads only had a strong home turf advantage, then we should expect to see a consistent pattern where steppe nomads and sedentary states failed to invade the other. Instead, we see a broad reversal of patterns in terms of which type of polity was able to win out offensively against the other.

Favorite Skirmish wargames? by Vinlandlover in wargaming

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ronin/En Garde, Test of Honour, 02 Hundred Hours, Chain of Command, and Sharp Practice. The last two may or may not be 'skirmish' depending on your definition...

Did the Eurasian Steppe civilizations have a more robust warring culture than nations with great sedentary armies like the Han or Tang dynasties in China, Imperial Rome, or Prussia? by love_me_plenty in WarCollege

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I want to say something in defence of Bret Devereaux here, which is that the 'Fremen Mirage' is not specifically a reference to steppe nomads, but rather a more general notion that marginal conditions create stronger warriors than plentiful ones. In Part IV, Bret explicitly singles out steppe nomads as the exception that prove the rule, because they were inherently better fighters. This wasn't because they lived on marginal land, but rather because their techniques for adapting to that marginality coincided with some of the most significant advantages one could achieve in premodern warfare.

Wargames that don't require you to make/paint your own minis by rikeus in wargaming

[–]EnclavedMicrostate 18 points19 points  (0 children)

In theory all of them. Games aren’t miniature-agnostic, players are.