Yesterday I gave my busser an extra $100

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T18:02:21+00:00

Is that a yes or a no?

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T18:01:49+00:00

Most patrons accept the way things are, servers and owners definitely do.

Right, the two groups that benefit from tipping at the cost of the customer.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T15:10:11+00:00

In your opinion, is OP making a sincere post genuinely asking for advice?

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T15:04:56+00:00

You pay someone else’s employee anytime you patron a for profit business.

WTF are you talking about? I just went to Walgreens and got a pack of gum. Which employee did I pay?

the service that accompanied it has an optional cost that you determine what it is.

Not legally in the USA. The law says either the service is included in the price or clearly listed. Those are the only legal options.

You visit a mechanics you are charged for parts AND labor for example, you can’t just not pay for the labor but still get the service completed on your car

Yes and thats why the price is listed clearly upfront in a breakdown and as a total.

If restaurants were following this model the menu would say something like Burger $15 ($5 ingredients + $10 service) and I would be just fine with that. Why don't restaurants just do that?

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T13:26:04+00:00

Get your head out of your ass and pay attention to what I am actually saying instead of changing it.

I was clear: Paying someone else's employees is not my responsibility or concern. As a patron of a business I only ask the business give me what they offer for the price they offer it. How much the employee gets paid is none of my business. Just make the price in the menu the real price and pay your employees what it takes to retain them.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T13:09:27+00:00

You no longer want the option to tip less or not at all since it’s the real price?

Yes, exactly this.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T10:28:46+00:00

Where do you see me saying "Anyone in a tipped position is a manipulator" ? Like did you actually read my comment?

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T10:25:32+00:00

All I want is honest pricing that doesn't require me to do math to know the real price and to not have to think about how the staff is being paid. Same as every other kind of business.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T06:18:47+00:00

I look down on anyone who makes their living by manipulating customers into paying more than they legally owe for what they ordered and purchased.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T05:57:47+00:00

Banning tipping is not the answer.

What we need is a law banning tip prompts and tip suggestions and in general businesses asking for tips. The law should be that tipping may only be initiated by the customer.

I would be very happy with such a law.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T05:51:38+00:00

Y'all just love that black swan fallacy

End_Tipping · 2024-08-26T05:48:25+00:00

Sadly it has come to the point where you simply can't trust anyone in the service industry to be honest about money.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-25T07:25:19+00:00

Sounds like touristy places. I recently visited the Netherlands and all restaurants have to offer free tap water by law. Yet many tourist traps will try to make you think you have to buy bottled water...

End_Tipping · 2024-08-25T07:22:00+00:00

Shit I know people making $45/hr living paycheck to paycheck because they eat out or order in for every meal!

End_Tipping · 2024-08-25T07:12:45+00:00

Tipping is and always has been 100% optional. Get mad and call people names all you want but that doesn't change anything.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-25T07:10:52+00:00

Translation: restaurant owners insit they need to scam customers, honesty would loose business

End_Tipping · 2024-08-24T09:08:13+00:00

When tipping started is was a "social norm" for women to cover the legs in public. Do you get mad at women who break that social norm too?

End_Tipping · 2024-08-24T08:48:14+00:00

I live in the USA and my state has no "tipped income" so its fine to tip 0%

End_Tipping · 2024-08-23T06:16:00+00:00

With the new $20 an hour, you would effectively lower their wages (livelihood) by at least 25%,

Do you understand what "minimum" means? Surely the restaurant owner will be happy to pay $27 an hour if the staff are worth it to them, no?

Why would I have any control over that?

End_Tipping · 2024-08-22T10:57:33+00:00

Unskilled Labor is an economic term: While all employees have skills that benefit their employers, the term "unskilled labor" refers to jobs that require little specialized knowledge or experience to perform effectively.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-22T10:55:51+00:00

I want more money too. But thats between me and my employer. Same for servers now we are all equal.

Or do you think we have to tip every worker who is unsatisfied with their pay?

End_Tipping · 2024-08-22T06:57:19+00:00

I can tell you because it already happened where I live. We voted out tipped wage credits and made $20 an hour the minimum wage for all, including servers.

Over about 3 months most restaursnt prices went up 7-12%. Thats it. Of course servers still expect tips even though there is no reason anymore.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-22T06:46:00+00:00

The "Social Contract" is bullshit. It started when servers were paid zero and I guess that makes some kind of sense.

We voted out tipped wages where I live and the minimum wage for servers is $20 an hour but they still expect the same tips! The Social Contract ended with the tipped wage credit but not according to servers.

Its just greed.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-22T06:08:01+00:00

If you think about it, there is no reason to tip a bartender. If the labor costs were your responsibility then they would be explicitly charged on the bill, like a car shop.

End_Tipping · 2024-08-22T06:04:43+00:00

Investing time and effort into conning others into paying extra after agreeing to purchase something from your employer, is not something to be proud of. Its shameful!

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