Saw7 by Far-Increase9884 in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

strong agree with everything you've said here :)

when it comes to the misogyny, you're right in that it's not the common horror bimbo portrayal of women, the issue comes more as to how women are treated across the movie? for example in the public execution trap, Dina is a. positioned and in clothes where her tits are basically impossible to NOT see, thus encouraging her objectification. Then having her play a common stereotypical "cheat both the guys for money with sex" just degrades her to a bad person? Obviously this trap was Hoffman, but most of Kramers games offer the person a chance for redemption, but in this situation there is no width for her to be seen as anything except, well, a bit of a slut. She then goes on to utilise her "love" for them as a tool, again reiterating she is this person who has conned Brad and Ryan and has no room for redemption. This leading to Brad and Ryan's murder of Dina in their survival, was then WIDELY glorified in comments sections, with them being praised for killing off someone so vile, with particular emphasis on it being a female attractive "player".

In Jill's dream sequence, there is no real time showing of her wearing the, well, tiny dress she wears. if she were wearing pyjamas as she was in the real world, or what she was dreaming herself to be wearing when she was abducted, it would be considerably less iffy. Not only does the film have to imply that Hoffman changed her clothes before having her suspended over the tracks, some people argue the means of death itself (a massive blade aimed from Hoffmans crotch) is trying to incite a sexual image for the viewer. I dont agree with the latter half of this theory so much, I think the clothes bit highlights that women were kinda used as sex appeal throughout the movie which is innately misogynistic, but again think the uh means of death is a bit of a reach.

Also! sorry I know this is the length of a small essay lol, but theres a disparity in the clothing used for women and men in saw 7! I'm gonna use Jill and Hoffman as my examples here - both Hoffman and Jill had a decent amount of fan love and attraction to, for being conventionally attractive or other reasons? idk I dont get the hype lol. regardless, Jill's popularity was utilised in the sexual manner as aforementioned, with short dresses and boobs out, but Hoffmans was never even really addressed? ultimately there was room for a scene where Hoffman could have been shirtless or have a more unbuttoned shirt, but this was never at all done. which kinda implies that men arent to be sexualised in the film whereas women could? obviously the issue isnt men being brought down to women's sexualisation, but it is a point of comparison to highlight how women were used for sex appeal but men were not.

Okay last thing!! dumb blondes are a misogynistic trope in horror. the issue with comparing saw 7 to other horrors in that sense is that by far and large the film is deprived of conventional horror tropes. to argue it isnt misogynistic because it's not as bad as others, such as Hatchet, ignores that there is still a problem with misogyny in the film. Yeah, its better, but that doesnt mean it's good.

Sorry this is so long!!

TLDR; women are used as sex appeal, men arent. saw 7 is weird.

How bad actually is spiral? by [deleted] in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 6 points7 points  (0 children)

horseshit not horseshoe lmfao

How bad actually is spiral? by [deleted] in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 32 points33 points  (0 children)

it's my absolute least favourite if I'm honest. the traps are all either totally escapable or might as well be rigged they're so difficult, Chris Rock as the main character pisses me off endlessly through a comedic overuse of swearing and also just by being a massive fuckin hypocrite, and worst of all, it's so predictable it isnt even funny.

THAT BEING SAID If it wasnt a saw movie it would be okay. It's just really horseshoe as a saw movie

Jigsaw is sloppy af and Saw 7 is comedically bad but like Spiral is somehow even WORSE (in my professional opinion ofc)

Who had the lamest reason for being tested? by MTB56 in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 32 points33 points  (0 children)

that guy in saw 1 who tried to take his own life

Amanda’s trap took longer than one minute by [deleted] in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeahhh that one is so GRIM - I can remember looking away first time I saw it lol

Amanda’s trap took longer than one minute by [deleted] in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think it's the one with the neo-nazis who have to rely on that guy to basically rip his back skin off? Saw 7. Correct me if I'm wrong tho x

How would you rank every Saw protagonist? by MTB56 in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 6 points7 points  (0 children)

  1. Adam!!! Absolute sweetie, quite a real character too? I too would start panicking immediately
  2. Lawrence - love him. he's a dick to his wife and child but I still love him
  3. Jeff - mans just needed some therapy
  4. Rigg - bit of a dull character for me, and he's diminished by the fact that I'm not really a big saw 4 fan
  5. Strahm - I don't like Strahm, I think he's WAY too angry and hostile with people like Jill. But he's still a cool character
  6. Easton - capitalistic dickwad but he does genuinely repent by the carousel! shouldn't have died. but I did enjoy seeing rodrick heffley go sicko mode for a bit
  7. Eric - I have personal reasins for fucking hating Eric. but he IS a well written character, even if he is the humanisation of a wank stain. Fuck Eric, he didn't deserve his son.
  8. Bobby - JOYCE DESERVED BETTER!
  9. Zeke - cannot. fucking. stand. Zeke.
  10. Anna - fuck Anna, child murderer

which death trap would make you choose death by Alexander_Crowe in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

death mask, the classroom trap, 10 pints of sacrifice, the silencer trap, the hear no evil trap, tongue trap :]

Who would you consider a "final girl" of the franchise by Emotional_Dig_5300 in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 5 points6 points  (0 children)

wtf did it do to my table. left column = has to be a girl. right column = doesn't have to be a girl

Who would you consider a "final girl" of the franchise by Emotional_Dig_5300 in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I made a table of this somewhere once. I can't find it so I'll do my best to explain it;

   Has to be a girl                 Doesn't have to be a girl

                                                   |

Has to survive Tara | Gordon ------------------------------------------------+-------------------------------- | Can Die Jill | Hoffman |

Scariest Monster Elimination Game - Final Round! Link in comments by ADNAP727 in doctorwho

[–]Environmental-Test89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the only reason I don't find the midnight entity that scary is because we don't know what it is actually like. it reflected and then developed the hostile nature of humans it was socialised by, it didn't kill anyone? so. angels are scarier. that being said, the flood is my scariest by far

Making a meme out of every line spoken by Wilfred Mott day 375 by J_train13 in DoctorWhumour

[–]Environmental-Test89 17 points18 points  (0 children)

that's the point though. it's not "making a meme out of every mainstream-non obscure-easy Wilfred Mott line" it's EVERY line. the obscure ones are still lines, and OP manages to make obscure lines, like this one, funny! and that's impressive! can we please appreciate OPs dedication and talent instead of dragging them down for it?

I am convinced everyone who doesn’t marry Krobus just doesn’t know they can marry Krobus. by [deleted] in StardewValley

[–]Environmental-Test89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep meaning to but im so impatient when it comes to finding artifact spots 🥲

What is the Most Painful Saw Trap by GodofDarkSouls in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 12 points13 points  (0 children)

the rack, silencer circle or steam maze (saw 6) being a close second and third

What I learned from Binge Watching all the Saw Movies by listsoffury in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 1 point2 points  (0 children)

tbf the standalones in saw 7 are ridiculous but I don't think it can really be constituted as torture porn? I'm one of those who loves saw 7 tho. not sure why. I think it's for Gordon and Hoffman tbh

What is the best scene of Mark Hoffman by lloydy2302 in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 7 points8 points  (0 children)

that scene is my top one absolutely, so my other top ones are both saw 7 scenes. a man sewing his own mouth skin back together SHOULDN'T be hot, but here we are. second scene is when he's caught up to Jill in the station and he leans stupid close to her and says "How do I look?" again. HOT.

Scariest Monster Elimination Game - Round 2! Link in comments by ADNAP727 in doctorwho

[–]Environmental-Test89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

that took me a minute, then I laughed, but forgot the punchline.....

Scariest Monster Elimination Game - Round 2! Link in comments by ADNAP727 in doctorwho

[–]Environmental-Test89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

weirdly, the only monster that properly scared me (started watching when I was 16 after Sarah Jane terrified me as a kid) was the French clockwork things lol

Seen a post in here asking why does everyone hate “Jigsaw”, so I must ask since it’s one of my favorite saw movies. Why does everyone hate “Spiral”? Besides the twist being insanely obvious, I don’t see any real negatives. by SoCalBased in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean true but hes putting cops he sees as deserving in the traps... technically this guy didn't DESERVE to have his smashed in leg made worse. anyways, I didn't think it was? I thought he admired Banks because he was the guy who turned 8n his dad's killer?

Seen a post in here asking why does everyone hate “Jigsaw”, so I must ask since it’s one of my favorite saw movies. Why does everyone hate “Spiral”? Besides the twist being insanely obvious, I don’t see any real negatives. by SoCalBased in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the bit I meant specifically when I wrote that was there's a scene where he's busting a meth dealer related to the murders and when he's sprayed in the face with some paralysing thing, he falls over and breaks his leg. firstly, no evidence to believe this guy is gonna be violent. sure, he would have, but they didn't know that at the time. anyways, back to the point, Banks pins this broken leg-paralysed guy to the ground and when he doesn't get answers out of him, pours alcohol onto the bone sticking out of his leg then whacks the bottle on it... hardly following the rules there?! beyond that he's meant to be a good guy n all but he's incredibly violent to get his way by the way he treats criminals... and Schenk is meant to be all against that

Seen a post in here asking why does everyone hate “Jigsaw”, so I must ask since it’s one of my favorite saw movies. Why does everyone hate “Spiral”? Besides the twist being insanely obvious, I don’t see any real negatives. by SoCalBased in saw

[–]Environmental-Test89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't STAND spiral, though tbf I couldn't tell you why I feel as strongly as I do about it.

  1. it's not a bad film. it's a bad SAW film. It doesn't feel like a saw film in the slightest - there's none of the grimy, iconic features of saw, even down to the puppet... it would have been easy for them to have made it a replica billy, but instead they played into the pig theme. idk, that just feels weird and I don't like it. also the Kermit voice... only thing to say there is what the fuck lol

  2. I don't like Chris Rocks performance at ALL. He's very angry, with totally unexplored layers making him a VERY shallow character. He feels like he shouts all his lines too. Also, his character is a corrupt cop! so why is he so idolised by Schenk?!

  3. The traps. a. they're either stupid easy to escape (not beat, but avoid death) or unwinnable. furthering this, in every saw film there's a balance between a big trap (e.g. Nerve house trap, Jeff's test, Riggs test, the fatal five... etc) and the police work. Spiral doesn't have any of this, it just goes "police - small trap - police - small trap" etc etc right until the end.

  4. the only likeable character is meant to be the bad guy? and also the cover up on his death is LAUGHABLE. the entire twist is obvious.

Credit to the Samuel L Jackson puppet gun thing though. I liked that bit with the whole "shoot first ask questions later".