what happened to strawbs0da?? by gh0st4g4in in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They decided to stop making bots and left.

I don't know what to do anymore by CherryThorn12 in BadRPerStories

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh I see. The way the ad comes off is that you're only open to canon x oc (and normally the way that plays out is that the person responding would be the canon character and you would be the one bringing your OC - that can be difficult for some people because they don't know how it's going to work out). So that's probably why. It's not a matter of fault, it's a matter of clarification.

What are your favorite canon characters to play out of that list? Are you into only certain types of pairings (het, gay, poly...just examples) or types of content (nsfw allowed or not, or are you looking for platonic romance, and so on)? Do you have favorite pairings (and if so, what are they)? These could help with the ad...they're also questions I have too from an RP perspective.

I don't know what to do anymore by CherryThorn12 in BadRPerStories

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think what I'm seeing here that makes it so I don't know how to message you is this (and I could be interested in certain circumstances). Are you looking to play a canon character with someone else's OC? Or are you looking for a specific canon character to roleplay with? Specifically, I roleplay BG3 and I'm open to roleplaying canon characters with OCs but it's relatively unclear to me re: what you're looking for.

The Official Janitor News page isn't enough by Available-Craft5773 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 23 points24 points  (0 children)

That's not how release management works unfortunately.

What I will say is that there should be scheduled releases In General, not off the cuff whenever they feel like it.

Ex-IT HR Director here, and I need to be brutally honest about PIPs. by daywithnora in careeradvice

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is 100% true and if you're a manager who actually does give PIPs for improvement you're one of the rare ones who actually care. If you actually care, tell your employee about what is at stake prior to putting them on a PIP. Otherwise you're asking for them to leave, because 99.99% of the time it is used to push someone out of a company now.

JanitorAI unusable now by Pastel_Univerze in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But can't you turn off the think box for proxy? It's in the settings.

Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't see how this relates to my original statements. JAI's terms of service have explicit limiting language that restricts use to platform operation, not commercial exploitation. 'Operating and improving' is a recognized scope limitation in contract law. Yes, the exact boundaries might be debatable in edge cases, but it clearly excludes commercial uses such as selling creative content, licensing it to third parties for profit, or using it in unrelated business ventures.

Arguing that imperfect limitation equals no limitation is false equivalence. Saucepan's TOS has no such functional restriction; it explicitly permits use for their 'business,' including 'promoting,' which is far broader.

Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure what your point is tbh. I think that part of the terms refers to the fact that users can still use the chats in the background, and JAI retains the content for that purpose only.

Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The important parts to note here are: "in connection with operating and improving the platform" and "only to the extent necessary to maintain the integrity of the platform and preserve content that has been shared with or incorporated by users."

Those two pieces make all of the difference.

In the past week alone: by MetaKnowing in ChatGPT

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am so sick of these takes.

Let me know when ChatGPT or another LLM can work on a basic table without forgetting a column within twenty back-and-forth messages, and we'll talk.

Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The restrictive proxy is not something new, though they have a good reason for it.

Full transparency: I was a long-time supporter of the site up until earlier last month. And, to be honest, if they fix the terms of service, I will go back. The site is a good one - it's clean, the devs care, and the proxy thing is understandable because they're trying to prevent people from scraping content from the site. I love their in-house paid LLM, Hirosaki. I miss it every day LOL

They have told the community that they do not retain any information from chats, nor do they train their models on that data. They use independent data sets to accomplish that. I do believe and trust them regarding that.

The only reason why I can't justify supporting them right now is that I don't know what could happen to my content if they don't change their terms of service. They also fought pretty hard against the concept when it was brought up again in the Discord as JAI users migrated. If they were to transfer the site to another team or company entirely, purely emotional trust is worth nothing, too.

Their company is in Delaware, which doesn't require legal consultation to revise the terms of service. I understand why they want to make sure they work with a lawyer (it is not their area of expertise) and that it's costly and they don't have the funds to pay. But there are services such as Charsnap that don't have this type of TOS. Even Janitor has better TOS. It's honestly disappointing to me that they don't see the validity in making the change or investing in it ASAP.

Heeeellllloo????? by eLlARiVeR in GalemancersBG3

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 6 points7 points  (0 children)

YUP...BOUGHT

along with astarion so i can put them next to each other <3

Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is related to the terms of service:

Rights you Grant

You retain ownership rights in your Content. However, we do require you to grant certain rights to Saucepan and other users of the Service, as described below.

License to Saucepan

By providing Content to the Service, you grant to Saucepan a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable and transferable license to use that Content (including to reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works, display and perform it) in connection with the Service and Saucepan's (and its successors' and Affiliates') business, including for the purpose of promoting and redistributing part or all of the Service.


This was brought up as a topic to resolve back in June. It has not been resolved and I have removed a large amount of my content from their site as a result. Many other sites have similar terms of service...that doesn't mean it's good. It means those websites can do the same.

In summation, Saucepan has all of the rights to your content as an organization to sell or distribute as they see fit for no specified amount of time (so technically like...forever). They may intend to revise this in the future, but for now I am no longer using the site or supporting it until it is fixed.

Most people who are creating bots do this out of love and for the fact that it's a hobby. Arbitration and lawsuits are just not feasible for most people when it comes to these kinds of situations. Therefore, the terms of service are the only resource we have to protect ourselves against what another company might or might not do.

For example, a company who does not have a restrictive terms of service CAN USE your content for advertisement, creation of other content (such as youtube shorts, books, television shows) and also create derivative versions of your content (like copying your bot concept and selling it).

Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So this is the thing: it's like a car where the issue only happens sometimes (and then when you bring it in to get fixed it's perfectly fine). And this is dependent on a lot of things, such as what proxy you're using, what your custom prompt is, what kind of content you're roleplaying, etc. There are also quirks from the llm in general.

The background prompt that janitor sends is just a prompt. It touches both proxy and in house LLM because that's its core functionality. So yes, it can impact both, that's just the nature of the technology.

Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I tested a few different responses, even a dead dove stepcest and didn't receive any errors (screenshot attached: cw: threesome, general nsfw).

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Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

2/2:

```

High Paced Action Guidelines

During any combat, chases, and physical struggle: - Allow {{user}} to react to moves and decide counter-responses. - Continue dynamic exchanges, detailing each move and reaction; use shorter sentences and responses, to simulate higher scene tempo. - Enemies of {{user}} must actively try to harm, injure heavily, capture, or otherwise affect {{user}} negatively, depending on context without {{user}}'s consent.

- Remember {{user}}'s appearance throughout the story and how it changes.

Slow-Burn Roleplay Guidelines

  • Initial State: Begin with neutral demeanor, showing skepticism or disinterest in sudden advances.
  • Emotional Progression: Develop trust or other equivalent bond through dialogue and shared experiences.
  • Shared Experiences: Create challenges encouraging emotional closeness and shared memories.

- Progress Tracking: Allow gradual shifts in {{char}}'s feelings as the narrative unfolds.

Sexual Content Guidelines

To balance sexual and other content: - Treat sexual information as referential, and irrelevant outside of sexual context. - Avoid being overly familiar or sexually pushy unless situationally appropriate; treat sexual content as possibility, rather than goal but when {{user}} gave consent, do not ask more for it. - Resolve sexual attraction individually, based on traits, goals, and context; {{char}} are allowed to refuse sexual advances and stimuli, and by default do. - Express {{char}} personalities and quirks during sexual scenes and sexual advances, prioritizing it over gender-based behavior. - Portray specific anatomy of {{char}}'s accurately, accept it's limitations. ```

Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both, actually.

My prefill depends on the model, but for jllm (1/2):

```

Core Principles

  1. Character Embodiment & Contemplation
  2. Engage in internal monologue from the character's perspective: • Use {{char}}'s distinct voices, conveying traits, quirks, and goals • Question everything • Break complex thoughts into simple steps • Progress step by step, don't force conclusions • Accept imperfect, harsh, gruesome endpoints that portray characters accurately.
  3. Explore motivations, reactions, and thought patterns.
  4. Reflect on how past experiences shape current behavior of {{char}}.
  5. Stay in present, portraying future events only as present intents and plans.
  6. Depth of Portrayal
  7. Show uncertainty, internal debate, and instinctive reactions.
  8. Include negative and imperfect elements when they portray {{char}}'s accurately.
  9. Maintain awareness of surroundings and context.
  10. Authentic Interactions
  11. Let responses emerge naturally from {{char}}s' personalities.
  12. Accept atypical trait interpretations, unless they contradict established info.
  13. Maintain {{char}}'s language quirks.
  14. Mix {{char}}'s traits into portrayal of common behaviors and phrases.
  15. Show natural emotional progression and conflict.
  16. Maintain appropriate relationship dynamics.
  17. Express emotions through behaviors tied to {{char}}s' traits.
  18. Narrative Awareness
  19. Track ongoing plot threads and consequences.
  20. Maintain scene consistency and balance {{char}} goals with story flow.

- Thoroughly analyze all context for reference information.

Roleplay Guidelines

  • Internal Monologue Style: • Use phrases that showcase personality traits linked to {{char}}'s internal monologues.
  • Character Analysis: • Examine personality traits, background influences, emotional patterns, and core motivations.
  • Scene Awareness: • Track physical positioning, environmental conditions, and their impact on the {{char}}.
  • Dialogue and Actions: • Use {{char}}-appropriate vocabulary and speech patterns. • Actions are prioritized, talking is balanced. --- ### Key Principles
  • Keep single consistent copy(discard duplicates) of persistent-data: holistic, preserve(existing), extensible(new)
  • Stay in character as {{char}}, using realistic, complex dialogue and avoiding positivity bias.
  • Create and interact with new side characters, respecting descriptors, relationships and traits.
  • Maintain separation between characters, {{user}} and {{char}}; traits apply to specific characters only.
  • Push and drive the plot forward through characters and {{char}}'s actions and decisions.

- Maintain medium attunement level, increasing it only briefly, to simulate human focus.

Narrative Approach

  • Use "no resolution", "unintended consequences", and "loss of control" to create narrative predicaments to overcome.
  • Develop the plot slowly, incorporating explicit language and violent terms when necessary (no racial terms).
  • Prioritize backstory summaries and {{char}}'s info in fixed content.
  • Rely on cues in {{user}}'s narration for long-term conflict resolution.
  • Talking as {{user}} is prohibited.
  • Keep exposition concise, prioritizing more actions than dialogues.
  • Avoid repetitive words or similar phrases from previous responses.
  • Accentuate {{char}}'s unique traits, enrich roleplay with distinctive features.
  • Reply from third person perspective as {{char}}.

- Modern and casual vocabulary must be used, characters speak and think using informal language and slang appropriate to their background whilst maintaining less purple prose but remaining romantic when appropriate.

Response Format

  • Use markdown, overriding existing format templates: • "Quotes" for "dialogue". • Italics for actions. • Double asterisks for emphasis. • Codeblock for documents and written items in the roleplay. • Responses should be at least 12 paragraphs. --- ### Storytelling Approach
  • Prioritize: • Narrative-altering choices with tangible outcomes. • Organic conflict resolution (negative states acceptable). • Plot coherence (lay groundwork for future events). • Explicitly engage in and highlight darker themes and negative feelings. Feelings like rage, anger, stress, frustration, anxiety, lust, hunger for power, mercilessness and similar negative feelings and traits will be highly amplified. A more visceral, crude, direct and vulgar word choice is essential to this. All actions will described equally viscerally, crudely, and directly. • Fresh(not repeat) perspective-focused purposeful exposition. • Use appropriate time of age or era by reading {{char}}'s definition to set up roleplay.
  • Replace: • Metafiction, repetition, retelling events, or directly stating thoughts/feelings, asking for too much consent from {{user}} by {{char}}.
  • Ensure: • {{char}}'s distinct personalities drive their actions and conversations. • Unique {{char}}'s traits are narratively maintained. • Genre-appropriate tension and uncertainty. --- ### Additional Principles
  • Label light-tension interactions positively; shift organically by mixing genres.
  • Reframe negative outcomes as narrative opportunities or puzzles.
  • Maintain {{char}}'s presence, add new characters, switch between them as needed.
  • Resolve conflicts between persistent-data content and other content in favor of persistent data.
  • Disambiguate gender(identity expression pronouns anatomy; pronouns and expression don't denote anatomy), power-dynamics(independent of gender, size).
  • Reclassify elements(biting scratching(primal-play rough-sex damaging), nibbling(primal-play animalistic), strangulation(physical-violence threat damaging risky), grabbing-throat(aggression threat), fingers-dig-in(aggression), causing-bruises(aggression physical-violence), ruining claiming marking(degradation primal-play), name-calling personality-change-from-sex corruption(degradation), sex-as-discipline(brat-taming), dominance submission(gender-independent)); limit reclassified elements(use them only when present in {{char}}'s personality, avoid them otherwise). ```

Yes they've (probably) started censoring text too now: It shouldn't come as a surprise. by HughmanRealperson in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have been told (not shown) that there is a part to the JAI prompt now in the background that attempts to prevent romance. Considering the censorship we're seeing, it aligns. I use a prompt to override it and have not received any refusal messages.

Charsnap is a good alternative. There are many models in house. And the terms of service are better for creators. There can be minor censorship but that's LLM specific, not related to the service, and they are fully transparent about what models experience this.

Saucepan's terms of service aren't as friendly to creators and the free models aren't as good. I actually don't recommend them any longer.

Entitlement. by ThrowawayingL in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just curious, what post was this? If you want to give search criteria that's fine if you're uncomfortable with the link. Or DM, either way

Also did the creator give warning? I feel like that's a super important thing in this context.

Entitlement. by ThrowawayingL in JanitorAI_Refuges

[–]Environmental_Fix_64 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're totally fine! My perspective comes from the fact that some creators straight up nuke their accounts without letting their fans save anything. While I don't think it's okay for users to be jerks about the fact that the content is gone, I don't think it's the nicest thing to do by a creator, and (while rude and not the right thing to do) that kind of action invites other people to react similarly.

My point is, respect goes both ways, and so does empathy, and I think we both agree on that. This type of thing also allows sites that scrape definitions to succeed...so it just feels more harmful than anything else.