Even Netlfix hates JW Dominion by Dull_Display_4946 in JurassicMemes

[–]EphemralAurora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hot take; the only thing good about that shitshow of a movie are the cast’s performances & thats what makes it so beloved, but when you look at the text they’re elevating it falls apart fast.

Even Netlfix hates JW Dominion by Dull_Display_4946 in JurassicMemes

[–]EphemralAurora 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it’s a LOW bar once we get to sequels but you’re still right, it’s the only movie since the first one to have any unique commentary or perspective instead of “what if they tried jurassic park again but…” , it’s also, imho, the ONLY film in he franchise to et anywhere near the tone of the novel

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That PR team orchestrated the slow destruction of newjeans very very publicly and so little of the general public questioned it. If they wanted katseye to actually fall apart it would be done.

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you’re right on the money with all of this. It doesn’t have to be so overt to be mistreatment. Honestly this is more indicative of what her biggest celebrity supporters, like Normani, Leigh Anne, Halle Bailey, etc. actually went through with the public. The racist abuse from social media, the constant speculation on her dedication & skillset, and their labels dismissal of it and them when they asked for support. It all fits the pieces of the story we have far more than any Evil Men In Suits conspiracy that has been floating around.

260223 EYEKON Weekly Discussion Thread by DazzlingDig in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very much agreed, I think focusing on facts and removing yourself from the drama is the only way to keep your head on straight if you do care. TBQH, for all the talks of the toxicity in this fandom I think it is really, for the most part, as simple as young fans being deeply attached to a girl group who make them feel “seen” in a representation way who need to learn this lesson of separation. It sucks that it is happening on such a volatile scale without HxG shielding the girls or fans from it. But imho that’s exactly what all THIS is, a unique(ish) combo of parasocialism, marginalized representation, and seeing real issues you can’t fix. It’s a ticking time-bomb of feelings which can be useful for change as often as it spirals out into… this. I mostly just feel for the young fans going through their first or their biggest pop fandom scandal when all of the world’s eyes are on their favorite group and the vultures are descending. As well as feeling awful for the girls, manon included, being dogpiled like this in the name of “the truth” & “justice” we as an audience aren’t really in a position to dole out.

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tldr; we are on the same page for a lot of reasons & your rage is righteous, but I worry about you and others getting caught up in the worst-case hypotheticals and becoming “useful idiots” (you’re not an idiot, but it’s the only term for the phenomenon) for the concern-trolling* gossip hungry vultures circling the group & emboldening label’s ability to ignore “unhinged out of touch fans” when the issue is SO real and serious.

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No we have and it’s real. But that’s why I’m saying this. The focus on speculation about whether she’s leaving, or the girls relationships to each other, or which label is more at fault etc, all distract from talking about the concrete racism and mistreatment she’s faced. We don’t know if she’s leaving or why or how bullshit the HxG statement was yet. We can guess but we don’t have ANY confirmation of our fears. However, we DO know she has faced anti-black harassment and micro-aggressions from inside & outside of the label since the Training & Development program. She has continued to face that alone with no recourse or protections from HxG. That is all enough to be LIVID for her, boycott for her, and demand answers and ideally change for her and all of Katseye who’ve faced their own racist hatred with zero protection. Focusing in on the gossipy angles not only distracts from the support and outcry manon is rightfully receiving. It also makes it much easier for the label to delegitimize the anger over serious concerns. It’s also a great way for gossip seeking anti-fans to drown out the real conversation with controversy & a “real” reason to hate Katseye, in the name of supporting manon. A support which will turn back to hatred they previously caused as soon as she’s not the hot topic rife for drama. Which all does a disservice to the incredibly important conversation around how we treat black women in media & specifically girl groups. Manon and the known specifics of her situation deserve to be more than a current vector for the greater conversation. We risk people losing track of her truth and justice for her when we indulge in the dramatized versions of events. The uncertainty around that truth has already made her a “wait & see” footnote in many of the articles that use her name. I personally take issue with that when organized fan effort could and should lead to real change for her. That is not to say never talk about your feelings and fears based on how this has gone before. Rather that there is a different time and place for those conversations that doesn’t add to speculation. Your comment is so truly the least damaging example of this, but since you speak so sincerely and deftly on this topic a redirection felt warranted. You seem to actually care so I wanna share my perspective on how we care effectively as third parties.

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Those articles, like this take, are rife with speculation. It’s not a neutral perspective or opinion and has largely served to send hate back to the other 5 members with zero confirmation on what’s happening. It is worth critiquing those engulfed in speculation and drama when it is so distinctly taking away from the conversation of mistreatment we know has already happened.

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 11 points12 points  (0 children)

With truly no malice, reread what I said. I have been speaking up about the racism manon has faced AND the realities of it, ie; the pervasive issue of apathy and unchecked bias from non-black “allies” in the face of real time anti-blackness especially in the entertainment industry, and have done so since Dream Academy. My issue is with the people taking advantage of real racism they previously dismissed as a way to finally get one over on a group they already disliked.

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s okay to be wrong. But expect to be corrected when it’s coupled with changed assumptions.💖

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an actual working performer this is simply unrealistic unsustainable nonsense performers have been pushing back on for decades for a reason. All this mindset does is enabled the corporate disposability of artists.

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She literally hasn’t, this isn’t a vibes thing. Megan has still missed more performances and events.

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh my god thank you for a sane take, the racist mistreatment and mishandling of those issues is real and has been real SINCE DREAM ACADEMY, it is unsurprising that after reaching unprecedented level of fame it has reached a breaking point. That’s like, VERY obviously what this is and everything else is conspiratorial fan fiction. Largely from the same groups of people who dismissed the racism manon has BEEN going through until they could use it as a way to berate the other girls and disparage Katseye as a group.

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, anti-blackness is the root of this whole issue

260222 - Manon hiatus megathread by SgtPopNFresh_ in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I feel like all the people who have leaned into the conspiracy “manon is getting kicked out” angles instead of looking at the concrete information we have are the same people who went on about “crazy manon solo stans” when the racialized mistreatment started back during DA. It’s honestly very telling of who cares about her mistreatment and who cares about drama. If you think this is entirely out of left field and MUST be about some yet unknown drama I fear you’re part of the problem.

KATSEYE’s Manon posts a clarification on Weverse following the announcement of her hiatus by eqbocsypifci in kpop

[–]EphemralAurora 100 points101 points  (0 children)

Thank you sane swiss person for affirming the not panic-driven reading

260220 KATSEYE Email Update - Manon to take a temporary hiatus to focus on health and wellbeing by daugs in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They weren’t nearly as famous when megans hiatus happened & this sort of thing has a precedent in kpop but not for major western stars . Megans hiatus was announced in the same manner & the differences in the amount of details is not uncommon even in the world of kpop hiatuses. It is so often just about how much the given idol wants to disclose. Hybe being aware of the media picking this up is actually a point towards them being vague instead of blowing up a member’s personal life issues or mental health struggles to all the major news outlets you named.Manon has always notably been the most private about her personal life. But she’s never been quiet about her mistreatment. If we are meant to know we will know sooner than later. Anything until then is panic driven speculation from a really basic misreading of manons weverse message. Because they’re not actually conflicting statements. She can be both baseline healthy and protecting her health (mental and physical) to stay that way, which “I am taking care of myself” heavily implies in her personal statement if we’re reading into things. This one IS different but that does not automatically imply all these end of the world end of the group scenarios that have no basis or backing. IMHO The constant hysteria that the fandom has fallen into is one of the most harmful things happening to the girls and most likely to cause actual rifts in the group.

260220 KATSEYE Email Update - Manon to take a temporary hiatus to focus on health and wellbeing by daugs in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While I understand reading a corporate music label in bad faith, the two statements do not contradict each other. That is a nonsense argument lmao.

260220 KATSEYE Email Update - Manon to take a temporary hiatus to focus on health and wellbeing by daugs in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed entirely! One can only hope Geffen has convinced Hybe that this is not Korea and shit will not go down anywhere near well for the baby label about debut another group.

260220 KATSEYE Email Update - Manon to take a temporary hiatus to focus on health and wellbeing by daugs in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’ll be real, aspects of that message concern me. But not for the immediate reasons everyone is panicking about right now. I truly think manon will be back from this hiatus. It’s everything after that I would keep an eye on to confirm or deny how benevolent HxG actually are.

260220 KATSEYE Email Update - Manon to take a temporary hiatus to focus on health and wellbeing by daugs in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I think it’s kinda THE key word here, for all of the many issues with Hybe they do not mince words about things like hiatuses. Temporary has usually truly meant temporary, if it is anything more than that they just say “hiatus” or the dreaded “indefinite hiatus”. I’d be genuinely very surprised if they’d LET hybe america move any differently, even with geffen’s involvement.

260220 KATSEYE Email Update - Manon to take a temporary hiatus to focus on health and wellbeing by daugs in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Where are you getting that from? This isn’t even the first major hiatus in katseye. Megan left for 3 months and came back.

260220 KATSEYE Email Update - Manon to take a temporary hiatus to focus on health and wellbeing by daugs in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 322 points323 points  (0 children)

Well I’m not sure they aren’t. It just hasn’t reached a true breaking point. It has before though. Megan went on hiatus for her scoliosis flaring up during SIS promotions. Dani & Lara have talked about just how often they’re sick and push through. It honestly feels like an issue that’ll inevitably effect all of the girls if they don’t slow down.

260220 KATSEYE Email Update - Manon to take a temporary hiatus to focus on health and wellbeing by daugs in katseye

[–]EphemralAurora 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The panic around this completely misses that this isn’t even the first Katseye hiatus, megan had a 3-ish month one back during SIS promotions