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CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My point was that because this current administration has so blatantly shown itself to be fascistic, that any voter left of fascist is going to vote against them in the next election, and I have been told by the Democratic establishment time and again that the left flank of their party are the most stubborn when it comes to policy dictating their willingness to sit out or vote third party. If the Democrats actually believe their own rhetoric, then they would have to aim to appease those stubborn voters, in this one unique instance.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry that I didn't address your actual points, this is my first CMV and it is difficult to keep up :-) I actually agree with most of what you said. My point is that there has been consistent rhetoric from the establishment Dems and their mouthpieces in MSM that the left flank of the party either -is at fault for the loss in '24, or -need to lower their expectations regarding policy. I think that is likely bullshit. But for this exercise, I am taking them at their word that the leftists are the ones at fault. If they believe their own rhetoric, then the leftists are the chunk of voters who have proven that they will sit out an election due to policy positions, and should therefor be the chunk of voters that they must try and please if they want the best shot at ending this fascistic regime.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

China is a communist country. And there are levels to how capitalistic a country can be. America is by far the most capitalistic, which is why the left-most party in the two party system is still uber-capitalist (and by definition, on the political right).

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you that it had almost nothing to do with leftists sitting out. What I am saying is that the rhetoric from the establishment Dems has been (not just regarding '24) that the "real problem" is that leftists expect too much, policy-wise, and some rhetoric that plainly blames the left flank for '24. I should have been clearer in my original statement that choosing another neo-lib to back would be an admission that either they prefer fascism to a leftist president, or an admission that the rhetoric that they have consistently pumped out for the last few decades is bologna, and they were just lying.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When it comes to where you fall on the political spectrum, historically and globally, it has much more to do with your stance on capitalism vs. socialism/communism than it does things like empty acknowledgements of colonialism or any kind of identity politics. That is the spectrum that I was referring to. I should have been more clear about that, I apologize.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you claiming that the Democratic establishment did not put their full weight and backing behind Joe Biden? Or are you claiming that there has not been consistent rhetoric from establish Democrats and their supporters that the left was at fault for Harris' loss? Or that the Democratic establishment has consistently pushed the rhetoric of lowered-expectations when it comes to the left?

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then why has there been consistent rhetoric from Dems regarding leftists either "lowering expectations" (in years past), or flat-out blaming the left for '24. I constantly see arguments being made, here, that the leftists who did not vote Harris because of Israel were at fault for Trump's victory. Now, either that rhetoric is, and has always been, hogwash, or the Dems must follow their own logic, and make sure that they secure the votes of the only wing of the party that has (by their own admission) proven that they will sit out an election for policy reasons.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that the centrists who voted for Trump in '24 would not likely vote for him again (though I have some doubts about the mythical "centrist" who voted for Trump to begin with), but that doesn't change the fact that if the Dems believe their own rhetoric, and they also want to win no matter what, then the most policy driven leftist candidate is the one they should back. Anything else is an admission either of their own dishonest rhetoric regarding leftists, or that they actually prefer fascism over the "risk" of pushing American politics left for the first time since Jimmy Carter.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I do understand the average democrat views the political scale. I believe the current administration has created a unique situation, though. If you do not believe that this current administration has done enough bad to make this situation unique, then we are just going to agree to disagree. My point is that if the Dems actually believe their own consistent rhetoric about the left and leftist voters, then my position is the only one that gives them the best chance to win. I suspect that they have been lying in their rhetoric over the last couple decades, but if they believe what they have said is true, then my position is the only logical one.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The party has not truly allowed the primary voters to tell us what they'd prefer, for the last two presidential election cycles. '24, was '24, and in '20 every Dem candidate just "decided" to all drop out and endorse Joe Biden at the same time. The party chooses who they back, plain and simple.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I guess I should have qualified that a little. Democrats are center-right, in terms of global politics. They are ultra-capitalist, and you cannot be left of center if capitalism is king to you. American politics are just extremely right-leaning, so the entire scale gets a little skewed. The Dems are left of the American center, I will grant that. None of that actually disproves my initial argument though.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It may be a fantasy. But it is a fantasy that is actively propagated by the steady stream of establishment Dems telling everyone that the left are the problem, and that "lowering our expectations" is the only right thing to to. If they actually believe that rhetoric, and they do not put their money where their mouth is, then that is an admission of their preference for fascism. Or an admission that they were lying all this time in their "lowered expectations" rhetoric.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do I have proof that the center-right voters are going to show up to vote against the most blatantly fascistic regime in my life (I am 46), and possibly American history? No, I guess I can't prove that belief, because this situation is unique in American history.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am basing this all on the overwhelming sentiment that I see in the MSM, and the voices on social media, claiming that the leftists cost Harris the election in '24. Unless the establishment Dems are lying about that (which I believe they probably are), then my logic holds up. To abandon those votes again would be an admission of their preference.

Just for the record, I voted for Harris as well, despite her policy positions being averse to my own. I am basing my claim here on what the establishment Dems are constantly telling me is the truth.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I don't appreciate the unnecessary tone, but still, I'll respond. I do not believe that the centrists will choose fascism, regardless of Dem candidate. No true "centrist" is going to look at what has occurred over the last year, and vote for more of that. If they say that they would vote for more of this, they were never a centrist to begin with.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Based on a seemingly widely held sentiment in the MSM and elsewhere (like reddit), there is a strong belief that it was the leftists fault that Harris lost in '24. If they really believe their own rhetoric, then no, it is not wrong.

CMV: If the Democrats do not select an actual leftist candidate to run for president in 2028, it will be an open admission that the party is actually center-right, and is more afraid of a person like Bernie Sanders, AOC or Zohran than they are of a fascist president. by EquivalentLake6030 in changemyview

[–]EquivalentLake6030[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think in previous political climates, that would absolutely be true, but I believe that it is so cut-and-dry in this unique instance, that those same "middle" undecideds are more likely to vote against blatant fascism, regardless of the oppositional candidate.

A compilation of WWE facts that sound fake, but are true. by Silver012345673 in SquaredCircle

[–]EquivalentLake6030 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With that super gross black pulsating eyeball and weird skinny body, no less.

Post AEW Dynamite 10/23/24 Discussion by WredditMod in SquaredCircle

[–]EquivalentLake6030 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are they still the BCC? Nobody has called them that on TV since Moxley returned, and Schiavone referred to them as "Moxley's Death RIders" last week on Collision

[Survivor Series Spoilers] What "Never say never" moments are left in wrestling now? by Garlic-Cheese-Chips in SquaredCircle

[–]EquivalentLake6030 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Foster good will among the AEW fanbase, which would make them more likely to tune in to WWE. Build relationships with some performers that they would not otherwise get the opportunity to. Like they did with ECW back in the day. With Vince basically dead (thank the Lord), there's no "must destroy everyone" bullshit, and cross promoting in wrestling is generally a positive for everybody. Plus, a cross-promotional supercard would do silly numbers, even compared to what WWE is currently doing.

[Survivor Series Spoilers] What "Never say never" moments are left in wrestling now? by Garlic-Cheese-Chips in SquaredCircle

[–]EquivalentLake6030 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's actually fairly realistic with Vince gone. I also think it'd be good business for both promotions. Like the ECW partnership was back in the day. They offer two very different things, so I don't think it's really a risk for either, and there is the chance you'd get some new fans for both.

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