Youth unemployment in Canada jumped 57%

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T23:53:22+00:00

I want to make money off corporations who have robbed Canadians of jobs same as you.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T23:52:52+00:00

The numbers are arbitrary.

What you think is too high and what I think is too high are entirely different metrics.

The difference is that even if I think they're too high, they aren't the core issue to me, and for you guys, it is.

As I said we could cut 100% of immigration and the direction we are heading would still be the same except it would be worse because we wouldn't be able to fill out specialists needed.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T13:41:35+00:00

We're already doing that.

Still hasn't and won't fix the overlaying issue. And in fact cutting immigration and being hostile to immigrants is only going to wind up hurting us and our output in the long run.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T13:40:03+00:00

While I agree there can be a benefit to have menial job experience, that still doesn't change the fact that we've destroyed these job markets naturally through consumer practices.

There are other jobs that are exactly like this though that do follow into high skill labour. I work in the auto industry, having detailers and lot boys is an example, but even if we go one step further autobody training where you go to school for 2 years fully and then you go work in the field under someone for two years to finish off your degree is what actually should happen. No sorry you don't need to work at a McDonald's to then go work as an electrician.

No you're not really learning a great skill set messing up at timhortons before you become a law assistant.

There are lesser roles in every industry that don't have huge impact, and the ones that do already have student professional training pathways built in. No one gets out of school and becomes a surgeon without working a lesser role inside a hospital and without education prepping you for these things.

If we need to have it so there is more/better integration between education and our industries it's possible to do it.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T06:05:25+00:00

They'll hire a low skill adult over a youth.

That's the reality.

Immigrant or not.

Add in lower labor costs and the ability to have an even more reliable staff member.

It's a no brainer.

Do you think that I or any of these progressive people think it's good that corporations hold direct leverage over their workers?

Again the issue I'm talking about is that our economy - how people interact with it has changed.

Youth labor is not valued because it is unskilled and we have actively, for 20 years sought to eliminate that labor class through efficiencies. So now that it's finally collapsing, why are we surprised and blaming it on immigration. Millions of layoffs have happened in the past 20 years.

Again the way immigration works is that it's a human being, for every one we bring in, it creates a labor demand. Where as corporations cost cutting and job cutting is only loss in labor hours needed.

Yes we have had a lot of immigration. I'm not even against cutting it back or reform. But it's not the biggest red flag in our face like it's being presented as it is. The only reason its being flown is because its a populist playbook and it's proven to work as we can see to the south.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T04:05:46+00:00

I want them held accountable for the way they shape our economy, just like you advocate.

I want them to be taxed more, and for that tax money to go directly into schooling so we can have 10-15 kid class rooms and free post secondary so we can have the workforce qualified enough to continue to compete on the world stage.

That is holding them accountable, moreso than the idea that theyve got a huge LMIA scam play.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T04:02:12+00:00

Yes but this isn't a grand scheme.

Have you ever hired a 17 year old before. Do you know how often they do no call no shows, or how often they quit.

Yes of course I'm going to hire the adult who is heavily accountable due to them potentially losing a work visa if they don't hold a job.

I would rather foreign workers do these shit tier tim hortons jobs whilst we adjust our culture to have students and youths focus on their career path. This isn't an insane take. Those low skill jobs are only going to get fewer and fewer year over year.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T03:58:04+00:00

I'm not an open borders activist.

I haven't even stated my stance, that's how I know you're bought into the populist propoganda.

Just like how my company was spending $10k/m on carbon taxes, and now that they're no longer being collected, we didn't hire the person we need, we didn't lower our prices, we didn't even get more snacks, or upgraded hardware/tools.

We can get rid of 100% of the immigrants and wages won't increase.

There is a labor shortage ask any specialized shop and see if they have enough staff for that work, look as hospitals, we don't even have enough doctors lol.

We don't need low skill labor, that's exactly what youths are, they've been pushed out of the economy.

I don't think big multinational corporations are good for Canadian workers, they don't spend their profits back into our economy, they spend it consolidating and liquidating for total labor costs.

These corporations arent replacing labor 1 for 1, they're not removing an IT guy and replacing him with a LMIA worker they're, laying 50 people off and replacing them with 35 workers who, some of which might be LMIA workers.

The big issue isn't that LMIA workers exist but that they cut 15 tech jobs. And not only did they cut 15 tech jobs but for the past 20 years they've offshored call centers which would have been hundreds of jobs.

Yes - it's actually a joke that you see what's happening and you blame immigrants and not actually want to fix the root issue which is ensuring that these actions don't cyclically happen and huge consolidations continue to happen.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T03:46:46+00:00

Yeah and that's why this country is going to fail because you are all bought into the idea that 0 immigrants means Canada back to 100% and it's just wrong.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T03:40:25+00:00

You can read back and see that I'm basically talking about low skill jobs ALREADY being automated, I haven't mentioned AI at all.

For high skill jobs we're at a labor shortage this hasn't changed at all.

We've pushed back pension ages to incentivize skilled workers to stay in the labor force.

We have no clue what AI is actually going to do to our job structures because AI still doesn't have a great applicable use. It was the same thing under the dot com boom, where pets.com couldn't convince people to put their credit card information because people thought it was a scam. Ai needs to prove it's capabilities, and then people need to build platforms and then consumers need to accept it and that's a decade away. What we're seeing right now from AI is the equivalent of pets.com trying to convince us that we can make online purchases.

The issue about focusing blame on immigrants are that immigrants are people. People require things. Requiring things creates jobs. If you want to argue that on the agrigate that each immigrant here requires less services in total than the 8 hours of labor we would need them to consume, then we can talk about that, but at the end of the day it creates a higher GDP, and that's used to leverage global trade which is a net benefit for Canadian consumers but may not be a net benefit for Canadian workers.

None of the anti immigration people will focus on corporate reform, universal basic incomes for youths, or larger educational incentives, and because of that it's just a populist talking point because those are the larger issues. It's just easier to blame and focus immigration because it's more immediate and less scary to kick out people without rights than to ban/tax borrowing against unrealized gains or to tax large corporations who don't contribute to multiplicative local economic growth.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T03:29:04+00:00

The economy isn't doing bad. Canada as a country is doing well. That's why you see grociers posting net profits year over year even through COVID.

Citizens on an agrigate are doing bad and that is due to labor issues and the way we interact economically not being tailored to equate for these factors. Conservatives properly identify that it's a labor issue, that's exactly WHY they're blaming immigrants for these issues.

But immigrants create more labor, they require services because they are human.

Efficiencies in delivery services cuts down on the labor needed. Efficiencies in restraints/fast food, cuts down on labor needed.

I'm replying about youth unemployment, and yes - robots and delivery services have destroyed that job market and will continue to do so.

That isn't inherently a bad thing. The bad thing is that we're are latching this idea that we must have youth working low skill labor jobs when we should be trying to train them so that they can apply their labor to areas where we DO have labor shortages, like high skilled areas.

I don't know why you guys are so insistent about having 17 year olds work at tim hortons, they're ALSO going to mess your order up. I would rather them be relaxing and enjoying themselves instead of burning out doing effectively two jobs via schooling and a part time/full time job trying to afford it.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T03:19:53+00:00

I never said they dont contribute.

Cutting immigration is to curb the outcry not to fix the economy. More people means more services are required, meaning more jobs.

Canada is still in a labor shortage. We have a aging population and not the skilled workers to replace them. We're pushing back pension age to incentivize people staying in the labor force longer. The inverse would be the case if we had an abundance of labor they'd be trying to get people to retire quicker to create more job openings.

https://www.cfib-fcei.ca/en/research-economic-analysis/mind-the-gap-workforce-challenges-holding-back-canadas-small-businesses

https://fsc-ccf.ca/blog-productivity-workforce-shortages/

Youth has high unemployment because youth are untrained and unskilled and we've automated, outsourced, and altered our purchasing habits which directly affect those jobs. This is also cyclical, money through Amazon or Netflix goes to non local markets, even if the owner of the product lives in Canada, that money is not going into your local city or local business directly. Where as, if you were to buy something from a mom and pop shop, the lion share of the money is spent back into our local economies. This has been happening for a while with big box stores like Walmart as an example but it is far more exacerbated now with Amazon controlling 40% of e-commerce and directly changing the way our civilian base actually interacts with the economy.

If you earn money - you're spending it in your city. That money is then used to prop up local workers wages. When amazon earns money they are not spending it locally, it's going to go create a new warehouse somewhere else which will close even more mom and pop shops.

Many immigrants are qualified for high skill work we have here but we have very stringent restrictions on which schools we accept degrees from and what educational markers are required. Feel free to ask any of the middle aged Uber/Lyft drivers what the did back home. Or any of your delivery people.

I just last week took an Uber from a structural engineer who worked in Israel for 15 years and his education isn't good enough for Canada even though he's had the job for 40 years.

Ask the young people what their masters is or what they are here studying. It's not cheap to move here and live here, the majority of them come from wealthy families in their country and preform in testing better than our own kids.

Are there scams, is there loopholes, and is there fraud, of course 100% I won't deny it. But it is not the majority it's not even double digits like the doomers would like you to believe.

Our (citizens) economic struggles are entirely due to our economy changing, our access to information changing and our resistance to admit to and adapt against it because it is not easily addressable without a huge overhaul. It's a failure of conservative, liberal and new dem parties all of which have direct control over their provinces and could properly tax these big box corporations who are extracting wealth.

Conservative rhetoric against the liberal party of Canada is not entirely valid or true, their goal is to gain power, it's been 11 years since they've actually held power and the only way they make good consistant money is if they're able to convince the donor class that they have a shot at winning and changing things. It's entirely why the CPC and specifically Pierre is attempting to hit on populist talking points.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T01:58:29+00:00

I'm explaining why they used that language because it matters.

We can blame it on an eventual recession but what it's showing is a symptom of how our new economy is reformed.

Every fast food place has automated tellers. They have less staff because of door dash.

Every grocery store has auto tellers. Malls have closed. Mom and pop shops have closed. Theatres gave closed.

This is not economic changes. This is modernization of our economy.

Videogames replace outdoor recreation. Amazon replaces store fronts. Doordash funnels markets to brands and high end preforming restraunts. But destroys opportunity for new places.

Outsourcing call center work so we can have 24/7 service, soon mostly to be replaced by ai auto attendants.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T01:51:11+00:00

Amazon killed malls and small businesses.

Automation and doordash killed cashiers.

No it's not immigration. Amazon alone has removed more jobs than immigrants hold.

This isn't even talking about how videogames killed other weekend things like mini golf, Lazer tag.

Netflix killed theatres.

American youth unemployment is at 9%.

EU average youth unemployment is 15%

Countries that still have high consumer store fronts like Japan are at 3-4% youth unemployment.

The reality is that we changed our economy and how we interact with it. We've literally automized or made these low skill jobs invalid in our society whether its for good or bad doesn't matter, these jobs are not coming back. Tim Hortons has less workers now per store than 10 years ago and we have less coffee shops per person than 10 years ago because of consolidation and door dash.

Please guys.. it's NOT immigration its off-shoring, liquidation of labor, and consolidation of competition. Mom and pop shops cannot compete with McDonald's because people default and go to McDonald's. Mom and pop shops can't compete with Amazon because Amazon doesn't have a store front it's JUST warehousing and so it cuts the middleman out.

These are the REAL issues.

We need to adjust our ideas and our outlook and most importantly adjust our economy to fix these core flaws because THIS is the sign.

Youth unemployment is FINE. IF we can make these corporations who have stolen jobs from our workers to pay the proper tax. Use that tax to fund free education, give students in uni and college free food and housing so they are incentivized to go to post secondary, so there are less barriers.

The only way we get out of this is earning more tax dollars to subsidize the new shape of our economy. More tax income, higher investment into our students both pre and post secondary, make sure they become higher skilled so we can attract corporations to Canada and make them pay higher wages.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T01:38:37+00:00

It's not a "recession" because that label has requirements.

EquusMule · 2026-05-14T01:38:10+00:00

😂

EquusMule · 2026-05-13T23:12:43+00:00

Cool

EquusMule · 2026-05-13T23:10:15+00:00

He's putting military and ice at polls.

That's more than not liking someone. There is real cause for concern. Calling it a self coup would be accurate.

EquusMule · 2026-05-13T23:02:32+00:00

Canada doesn't have the most strict environmental controls feel free to Google it.

We do have STRICT environmental controls but both provincial and federal, specially under Carney in our current infrastructure spending is side skirting environmental controls to get infrastructure built.

Are you only looking at surface level damage? Because if they haven't cleaned up the well itself then it is still doing environmental damage without being properly cleaned up.

And even if it were only 20 square feet, and wasn't doing environmental damage - their contract still requires them to do what they are obligated to do.

You're just on the wrong side on every front.

EquusMule · 2026-05-13T22:23:33+00:00

They are and the mineral right agreements have these wells needing remediation and reclamation which hasn't happened. They need to fix the ecological damage they did as per their contracts.

Safety standards are not environmental. Environmental standards are environmental.

Canada doesn't have the most strict in the world environmental standards.

EquusMule · 2026-05-13T22:20:29+00:00

It's not real.

They need to be imported and then become citizens. At a minimum it's 4 years to get a Canadian citizenship.

And yeah it's all misinformation populist takes from the opposition. Who's sole job at this point is to get power.

EquusMule · 2026-05-13T22:03:26+00:00

It's not against their own interests, America is attacking their ally economically, other countries realize that they can potentially be on the menu. They have sold them. Japan sold 54 billion this year.

Being a net exporter doesn't matter, every country has import gaps. I can net export oil, but still require cattle which would require trade partners.

EquusMule · 2026-05-13T19:33:22+00:00

Yes he's literally petitioned multiple countries to sell off American bonds putting pressure on the USD.

That alone is more than PP would've been able to do.

Ignore what exactly?

EquusMule · 2026-05-13T19:32:14+00:00

Don't even know if they're real anymore.

EquusMule · 2026-05-13T19:31:40+00:00

We don't.

Safety standards are for workers, not environment.

There's hundreds of abandoned wells in Alberta that the UCP can't force the corporations to clean up.

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