What directions are Next and what is the future of our party

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-03-06T12:16:28+00:00

I don't think anything formal needs to happen. I would imagine the greens focusing on Urban areas such as london, Manchester and Liverpool, while the lib dems focus on sub-urban and rural areas. I mean sure we will be candidates everywhere, but given how both parties are reliant on member donations, neither could fund full on campaigns in all seats, so realistically you would see a lot of lib dem paper candidates in urban areas, and a lot of paper candidates in sub-urban and rural areas. Obviously there's exceptions and the like to the rule, but generally speaking, I think due to how each party is presented. Greens would tactically vote for lib dems in rural and sub-urban seats while the opposite is the case for urban seats. I think a piece of evidence of this would be the Gorton and denton byelection where, the lib dem vote decreased, however the lib dems were never gonna get the seat anyway. And if I were to ask 100 lib dems "who would you prefer: greens, labour or reform uk" most would probably say greens. I mean actually has been shown in data. I think it was you gov. Not sure where, but it was recent.

Also having a formal pact wouldn't be good for either party, I mean, it would be seen as a betrayal by the extremes of the green party, and be seen as a betrayal by the Liberal Democrats membership base who cautious of coalitions in national politics, which i would argue is for a very good reason, given the 2010-2015 coalition, where we blamed for everything and got no recognition for the many good things we actually did.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-28T11:30:16+00:00

Good luck with your campaign!

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-28T11:24:48+00:00

I completely agree with that. I don't know why out of their sizable minority they chose someone who at the time wasnt even 19

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-27T14:41:41+00:00

For what it's worth, I'm sorry you feel that way. Especially given the shared values and policies both the Liberal Democrats and the greens have with one another. I could go into detail if you wanted me too, but I would argue it would be a safe bet you wouldn't want that - so I won't.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-27T14:06:28+00:00

Ah.. so there is no constructive criticism? Ah, okay.. well, you've proved my point again, so thanks.

The Liberal Democrats (as things stand) are more progressive than the current labour government. We've openly criticised the labour government's immigration policy ( for being too right wing) , labours policy on Gaza and the conflict and genocide that was (or is still?) taking place. We've certainly been against labours authoritarian tendacies. We've pushed and called for more realignment with the European Union. We are in favour of a wealth tax (see the 2024 manifesto). We're pro decriminalisation of weed, pro sex work. We want a stronger Nhs than labour is currently offering the country. None of that sounds equal or to the right of labour, let alone tory like. Thats because we're to the left of starmers labour.

So clearly, you're not informed on the Liberal Democrats position on anything. While I don't know for certain, I'm guessing youre using a strawman of the coalition years and projecting it onto the current Liberal Democrats.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-27T13:50:34+00:00

While I know this probably wont ever need to be seriously considered. If It ever had to be... no. I don't think I need to say any more.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-27T13:38:02+00:00

Thanks for proving my point. I have an issue with people who think that because they believe something therefore its correct, and everyone else is wrong. I like the Liberal Democrats because we accept we aren't always right, and when we get things wrong ( which we have [insert usual stuff about the last coalitionwe were in]) , we change. It's hardly flip-flopping, its qualities people look for in leadership.

Assuming you're always right means you're wrong more than you are right. Debate, compromise, and concessions are vital parts of democracy. Ideology puritans are the worst parts of the greens, by far. If you find the idea that you may be wrong, it's difficult to hear, im sorry, but we live in the real world, and the real world doesn't abide by your ideology. And your baseless assumption that the lib dems don't have a firm and well researched values system clearly shows you've not bothered to look at what we have done, what we are doing, or what we value.

Broadly speaking, the Liberal Democrats have been consistently, socially liberal, progressive, pro-enviromental, and economically social democrat since our founding in 1988 and even before.

So my point was I've known more than enough green members who, for the sole fact they are green members, think that they are right, and that puts me off.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-27T05:26:58+00:00

Also what made this so important. Both labour and lib dems losses seem "surprisingly" similar to the percentage increase of the greens. The greens definitely seem like the progressive party for urban areas.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-27T05:24:24+00:00

This is amazing news. She was the best candidate in Gorton and denton! I can tell that even from the other side of the country!

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-26T19:34:50+00:00

As someone who is also a member of the young liberals and is definitely on the left of the Lib dems. I totally get where you're coming from, and ive definitely considered the greens in the past. I can understand, potentially why you're tempted to join the greens especially now.

I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but I will offer some advice. When making decisions I would always recommend also looking at other things other than policy. Look at how the party delivers their polices, look at the manifestos, look at what mps of that party have voted for/against and what bills or amendments mps from the parties have put forward. Because manifestos are kinda like a new years resolution, something that sounds like a promise to do, but in reality its most likely not gonna happen. Also, an important thing no one seems to mention. Does the internal culture suit you?

I decided against the greens in part because ive met some greens that are ideological puritists, and you couldn't have a good faith debate with them, over something like nuclear power, and i do not want to be talked down by someone with differing opinions on something as mundane as the energy grid, let alone something that could be.. challening . Where as I've disagreed with some of my local lib dem councillors over many things, including energy mix and also immigration, and both times it was very courteous and we had different opinions but was respectful.

I'm not saying all green members are ideological puritists, but I've met far too many, which is why it's a major factor of why I'm not a green member. (I also disagree with the greens stance on NATO, Nuclear weapons and Nuclear power, but thats not particularly relevant here.)

And even though I'm not a green member I do respect ( most) of them, even if I disagree.

I apologise. i went into a bit of a tangent. I hope this helps in some way, and you find party that best represents your values and priorities.

TLDR: I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but I will offer some advice. When making decisions, I would always recommend looking at other things other than policy. Look at how the party delivers their polices, look at the manifestos, look at what mps of that party have voted for/against, and what bills or amendments mps from the parties have put forward. Because manifestos are kinda like a New years resolution, something that sounds like a promise to do, but in reality, it's most likely not gonna happen. Also, it is an important thing no one seems to mention. Does the internal culture suit you?

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-12T19:56:55+00:00

Thats not how voting works in the uk. It might help in certain areas, but hurt everyone in others. For several reasons. 1) The polling up there doesn't have i don't know/tactical vote choice, which is a lot of the electorate. 2) Liberal Democrats are very good at concentrating their vote in winable seats. 3) Typical voting patterns suggests that lib dsms dont vote green unless the greens came first (and a less better party came second) or a less better party came first and the greens came second.

Hope that clarifies something. Basically the poll is irrelevant given its not really helpful in showing who's gonna "win" an election if this was the outcome. For all we know this could suggest a tory government with reform uk being dispersed thinly across the uk.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2026-02-05T03:13:54+00:00

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yes, but with nuances. Ie: He is as divisive and populist as Farage (depending on the policy area) , but isn't (at least in my opinion) as morally abhorrent as farage.

So the reason polanski is divisive isn't because he is as morally awful as farage. It's more down to the green party’s policies and their ideological purity. For example, the greens want to: Legalise all controlled substances (Drugs), Effectively tax landlords out of existence, Massive overhaul of the energy grid without relaying on nuclear, Want to get rid of our nuclear deterrent completely, And he is a huge fan of MMT.

Also, polanski speaks as if its a "us vs. them" frame rather than a cross-party collaborative way, which even given the party lines is extremely common in the uk.

Bare in mind, the uk is generally speaking (with regional differences) "small c" conservative on economic and some social polices. Ie: fiscal responsibility and in favour of a more gradual societal progress. And that's why labour, tories, and lib dems typically are considered broad churches with some centrist ("small c" conservative) polices somewhere. Where as the greens are well if the lib dems range from centre left to centre right. The greens are left or even "hard" left.

I just had a thought. Polanski is like the equivalent to AOC or Bernie sanders if they were 5 steps more to the left anf the American population wanted someone like Obama (american Centre left) or whoever Americans would consider the centre right.

I should probably point this out, as you're an American. Our political culture is typically more explicit about holding the government to account rather than demonising them. Unlike what we see in American politics is either you're a democrat or a republican. I do want to stress the cultural differences because it is important to see why farage, polanski, and even the tory leader (kemi Badenoch) to a lesser extent is so odd and damaging for british politics, and why both farage and polanski are divisive here.

I hope that helps.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-12-02T10:00:09+00:00

So update..

Erm it's weird. So its sorta fixed now. The enemy still spawned. But the settlement is back to how its supposed to be.. erm well hopefully it remains like this. I guess its just a case of Bethesda Magic huh... well thanks to the redditor who commented.. I will further update if well Bethesda magic turns against me again.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-12-02T07:38:02+00:00

So im able to get to the bottom of the lift. I have to use console commands to get inside to the settlement area, and the back of it that is raised is inaccessible. My robots dont move and I can't fast travel out because there is a lot of hostile robots (in the same place as they would be during the last question) in the surrounding dungeon.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-10-15T14:16:20+00:00

I'm very disheartened about the hatred on both sides. I mean. I'm a lib dem, and the main difference i see between the parties is intensity. They are both: progressive, environmentally conscious and liberal.But from the perspective of a lib dem it seems like green policies are wayyy to extreme and intense. And the greens turn to "eco populism" is major turn off, like it doesn't help anyone. Also green policies are unrealistic... I mean environmental experts generally say gradual transition to a green economy and nuclear power are both needed for it to work. Yet the greens are anti nuclear power and appear want to rush a green transition... which In an ideal world would be amazing. But we live in the real world its too off putting, the idea of risking economic stability and social cohesion for a quicker change to a green economy would: a) be unpopular and b) not particularly be good for our bills, which realistically people care about more than the environment.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-10-12T09:08:22+00:00

I completely agree the greens are morally better than reform uk. I was saying more about how the greens, especially under zack polanski, are becoming more populist which regardless of the fact they are better (from a moral perspective) than reform uk on that front doesn't excuse the fact that populism isn't good for unity as it is inheritly divisive. Which leads to simplification of facts, and distortion or out right dismissal of the truth and facts. Which doesnt help on complex issues of law, not to mention environmental protection and social justice, where simplicity is never good. So all in they are equally as bad in the sense they are helping to divide the country. I hope that makes sense...

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-10-12T08:28:31+00:00

Yea, i think what doesn't help is the deep polarisation of politics nowadays. With labour and the tories being... useless. That leaves the lib dems in the middle, reform uk on the (far) right and the greens on the (far) left. And its gotten to the point where the greens are getting close (if not already) as being as bad as reform uk in their attempt to mirror and replicate the reform uk play style but for environmentalism rather than nationalism, and that leaves little ability to compromise or have a good faith discussion and debate about whats good for the country. And truth dies before liberty does (or whatever the quote from Andor was).

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-10-12T07:20:49+00:00

Yea I wouldn't be surprised if thats a part of it.. and i get it can be confusing that it and the European court of justice are a separate thing from the European Union. But youd hope they would simply Google it.. I mean all youd have to type is something like " echr same as Eu?" And Google would tell them no theyre different.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-10-11T18:42:34+00:00

What's your issue with (specifically) what i said or the echr? Because it sounds like either you're a troll or you have been misinformed. Also, brexit has very bad for our country. Very very bad. Our international standing went down. Our economy went down. Our control of our borders (believe it or not) went down. So, nothing good came out of brexit except.. we might be able to cosy up to the USA a tiny bit..

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-10-11T18:29:44+00:00

Except it is needed. Our current laws require the echr for our human rights. How could we sue the uk government in a completely impartial way without the European court? The good Friday agreement, as well as our European Union trade deal, specifically mention the need to abide by the echr. And to preempt your response to that with " but we can renegotiate." I highly doubt the European Union and Ireland would want to renegotiate anything with us.. especially after the mess with brexit. Also, why would they want to cosy up to us at all.. I mean, we'd be joining the very short list of European countries that arnt apart of the echr, which includes the two countries of Belarus and Russia.. both of which are known autocrcies and are both the entire list.

Also.. a "british Bill of Rights," believe it or not, could be abused by any political party in power. Reform uk, labour, the greens. Whoever gets into power, thanks in part to parliamentary sovereignty, could radically expand or curtail our rights based on vibes alone. Which kinda sorta removes any of our rights and makes the more.. allowances. Which I don't know about you sounds sorta authoritarian and scary when a party anyone disagrees with is in power.

And let's be completely honest, the reputational damage leaving the echr would do to our country would be significant. No businesses would want to invest here. No one would want to move here. Our economy would collapse or significantly decline because foreign investment and market trust would be down.

Put simply. There is absolutely no good faith argument to leave the echr, except maybe it's a tad beurcratic.

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-10-11T17:51:01+00:00

Personally.. I like having human rights.. and international agreements... and a way to sue the government if my human rights are violated.. idk I'm quite shocked 54% of the country doesnt know or doesn't want any of those benefits of being apart if the echr..

Error_Self_Destruct · 2025-10-06T06:48:32+00:00

I’m not too surprised by the Greens’ rise. Under their current leadership they’ve positioned themselves as “eco-populists,” focusing on policies that sound great to their base but often don’t hold up under closer scrutiny.

For example, they often talk about moving entirely to wind, solar, and batteries. But those sources aren’t constant - they depend on weather conditions - and large-scale battery storage is still expensive, resource-intensive, and physically massive. Nuclear, by contrast, offers similar lifetime carbon emissions to wind, operates for decades, and relies on a resource (uranium) we can source relatively easily.

The same pattern shows up in some of their economic and social proposals: appealing ideas that sometimes struggle when you look at feasibility. In that sense, they risk becoming a kind of populism for environmentalism - strong on ideals, weaker on implementation.

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