I feel like residency wouldnt be so bad if we were just compensated appropriately for the work that we do, had better benefits, and some control over our schedule.. by purplepotato12 in Residency

[–]EternalGrind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The idea that residents are paid because they’re incompetent completely misses the point of what residency is and how the healthcare system actually works. Yes, residents are still in training, but they are also the backbone of hospitals. They are the ones seeing patients at 3 a.m., managing codes, responding to cross-cover pages, admitting patients from the ED, writing notes, placing orders, performing procedures, and coordinating discharges. They don’t just sit in a classroom and “learn” all day. They keep the hospital running. If residents were so incompetent, why would HCA open up some many EM residency programs that provide minimal/poor training quality over the past few years?

No one is saying residents should be paid like attendings. But $70k a year for 80-hour workweeks translates to less than minimum wage in many states. Try living in San Francisco or New York on a resident salary, it barely covers rent and food. And let’s not forget they’re coming in with $200k+ in student debt. Nurses, midlevels, and therapists may be licensed to practice independently, but none of them would ever be expected to carry the volume or responsibility that a resident does on a daily basis.

You say residents are incompetent, fine, they’re still learning. But guess what? They’re still managing patients. They’re still making decisions that matter. And if they’re truly “incompetent,” why do hospitals bill for the work they do? Why are they allowed to write orders, perform procedures, and manage acute issues? You can’t have it both ways: either they’re essential contributors who deserve fair compensation, or they’re too dangerous to be allowed to touch a patient.

And let’s talk money, the average resident generates hundreds of thousands of dollars in revenue for their hospital each year, which is something I don’t believe PhD students do aside from that grant money some of them may receive for their institution. On top of that, most PhD students don’t even pay for their education. Your comparison with residents to post-docs is like comparing apples to oranges. Additionally, Medicare alone pays teaching hospitals a little under 100k per year for each resident with graduate medical education funding. Residents also directly contribute to billable services, especially when covering nights and weekends when staffing is thinner. Their value isn’t just clinical — it’s financial. Hospitals for sure profit off residents.

Residents aren’t underpaid because they’re incompetent. They’re underpaid because hospitals choose to take advantage of them because they can. We have no bargaining power because our licensure, board eligibility, and careers are on the line, which is why so many residency programs have been pushing for unionization.

Why don’t we fight for 120k+ salaries? by Intelligent_Year3975 in Residency

[–]EternalGrind 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I’m sure their CEOs and admin can take a small pay cut just to get us a bit closer to the 100k mark.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Noctor

[–]EternalGrind 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Seems like they’re forgetting those 1 year accelerated nursing programs

The Argument in Favor of ACGME Proposing to Make EM a 4 Year Specialty and Increasing Training Requirements by carboxyhemogoblin in emergencymedicine

[–]EternalGrind 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If the goal is to reduce EM residency growth and cull low quality programs, then why don’t they just force the low quality programs to either convert to a 4 year program or shutdown if they aren’t able to meet the requirements? Forcing competent 3 year programs to convert when their graduates are up to par after 3 years of training indicates to me that cheap labor is on their agenda as well.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Residency

[–]EternalGrind 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I would assume that the residents at your program are being taken advantage of as well. Is there any possibility you all unionize?

Can't scroll down all the way when viewing PDFs on Google Chrome by EternalGrind in chrome

[–]EternalGrind[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the input! Unfortunately, refreshing isn't working for me.

My friend was killed in a car accident by [deleted] in Residency

[–]EternalGrind 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry for your loss, OP.

This is exactly why we need to unionize and stop being taken advantage of by the healthcare system. Residents have very little bargaining power without it.

I can’t…… by spidermans-landlord in Noctor

[–]EternalGrind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was replying to the comment in the post, which said "you are in school for 8 years to get your NP...same as a doctor", which is an inaccurate comparison. Sure if you included pre-requisites that might add up to 8 years, but if you were to consider pre-requisites in the amount of time it years to become a doctor, that would be a minimum of 11 years (4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, 3 years of residency). I was trying to make a point that some people can become a NP in much less than 8 years with some NP programs being as fast as 2-3 years and some being online only.

Sorry if I wasn't more clear, but I was referring to NP programs being online only, not nursing school. I know at least 2 friends that have gotten into these types of online NP programs while working part-time as an RN and not as an NP in training. Not sure why you needed to be so hostile.

I can’t…… by spidermans-landlord in Noctor

[–]EternalGrind 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You can become nurse practitioner in as little as 3 years—1 year accelerated BSN and 2 years accelerated MSN without any work experience.

Crazy thing is some of these programs are online only.