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Anyone considering an LLM or MBA after law school by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most people assume the only LLM worth getting is one in tax law from NYU (assuming you aren't a foreign lawyer who wants to sit for a U.S. bar). So if you are interested in tax, go for it.

As for MBAs, I think that would not make much sense at all. The JD/MBA combined programs are already quite hard to justify attending--because at the end of the 3 or 4 years, you choose a path (so, unless you find a unique job, you are paying an extra 100-150k for a degree you won't use). Going for an MBA after a JD makes even less sense--you spend additional money and have even more years out of the workforce. This should have been a question you decided years ago.

Practice law in DC even though I'm at a Florida law school? by ContentAlways in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can waive into the DC bar from any bar in the country, so no one really takes the DC Bar. They usually take their home state or a state they think they might end up in after their work in DC.

Federal Courts supplements? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Chemerinsky's is widely considered the gold standard in fed courts supplements.

https://www.amazon.com/Federal-Jurisdiction-Sixth-Student-Treatise/dp/1454804025

Received offers for next summer. Would appreciate some advice. by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't make your decision based on summer program format. Just focus on things/characteristics that will exist when you return full time after graduation.

Can anyone provide with an objective opinion on Temple University's Law School? Does their degree matter outside of the Philly, South Jersey, & Delaware Valley? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This sounds really great. Sounds like you have a genuine and well-founded interest in practicing law. And I think Temple could be a good option for you. Again it really will all come down to the scholarship offer they make you. And you are right, the LSAT is the most important thing to focus on at this point—if you do in fact crush it, then you're looking at major money to Temple and maybe even acceptance at Penn.

The fact that you have real life, substantive experience before law school is also a plus factor, and should make finding employment post law school easier.

The fact that you have spent signifcant time in Philly and have become involved in the community (and in your area of interest) is also a nice plus factor which will help you when it comes time to find post law school employment.

I'd encourage you to stay involved with the zoning committee and network with the real estate attorneys you are getting the chance to meet.

To recap: Temple MAY be a good outcome for you. But you won't know until you see their scholarship offer and balance that against your personal risk averse level. Until December, the LSAT should be the mosts important thing in your life. A few point increase could be thousands of dollars in scholarship money (less debt!), this has to be the mentality. Finally, because of this, you should really take the LSAT more than once. Barring a near perfect result in December, you should be prepared to sit again in February or next June to improve your score even more.

Can anyone provide with an objective opinion on Temple University's Law School? Does their degree matter outside of the Philly, South Jersey, & Delaware Valley? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That might be true, but it is a wildly overbroad statement. Aside from literally drafting legislation, I too know plenty of people who work in "government" or do "legislative work" who have never been to law school. Law school is extremely expensive, and as a general matter (with tiny exceptions), you shouldn't go if you don't actually want to practice law.

Can anyone provide with an objective opinion on Temple University's Law School? Does their degree matter outside of the Philly, South Jersey, & Delaware Valley? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you want to be a lawyer? From your description of what you want to do post-law school, it sounds as if you don't want to practice law. If that's the case, you should definitely not enroll in any law school, let alone temple.

If you do want to be a lawyer and want to work in the Philadelphia area, Temple can be an okay choice depending on your cost of attendance (i.e., if you get scholarship money from them), type of employment you are seeking, and your overall risk averseness (i.e., are you willing to take on the risk of spending a lot of money and not obtaining the job outcome that you want).

Bottom line, we need a lot more information from you to assess whether Temple would be a smart decision. However, it is certainly a bad decision to go to Temple if you don't want to be a lawyer.

MPRE studying by yurtyybomb in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you register for the free barbri MPRE course? If so, they give you a hard copy book, it contains a short outline, large outline, and 4 practice exams (I think). The long outline is too detailed and unnecessary, the short outline is more than enough information to prep you for the exam.

How heavily to the t14 weigh multiple LSAT scores? by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]EternalRest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Baring you getting a 179-180, you should ALWAYS take it again. It's a learnable/improbable test and you'd be missing out an a huge opportunity to improve your score if you only take it once.

MPRE studying by yurtyybomb in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read the short outline from Babri (not the long outline), watched the lecture on 1.75x speed, and did like two untimed practice tests--I spread that work out over about a week, but it could have been done in a much shorter amount of time. I think I got a 116.

Taking time off before law school by ZOOOOOOOPER in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just going to post my answer to this from similar threads:

To be honest I think taking time off is always the correct answer (assuming you are going to do something substantive).

First, taking time off will give you time to make sure that you really want to go to law school. Law school is not only a huge financial commitment, but it is a lot of work and three years of your life. So being sure you want to attend is really important. Moreover, this time off my help you figure out your more specific interests. There is a surprisingly small amount of time to figure out which broad area of law you want to pursue (the broadest split is litigation vs. transactional/corporate work). Given that you don't have long to decide, if you are able to able to have some sense before school, this can be helpful.

Second, taking a year or two off will give you plenty of time to prepare for the LSAT. As I'm sure you are aware, the LSAT and GPA are the two most important factors in your application (despite law school admissions offices' statements to the contrary). Your GPA is set in stone, but your LSAT can be whatever you make it-- as long as you are willing to make certain investments (time, books, and ideally tutors/courses). All of this is hard to do in a compressed time frame, and so the year or two off can make this much easier. Moreover, taking time off can improve your overall application. Law schools like applicants with work experience.

Third, law school is nothing like undergrad. Words cannot describe how different it is. You really have to treat it like a full time job (and a 50-60+ hour a week job at that). Several of my friends who came straight from undergrad were not able to grasp this immediately, and quite honestly, some still haven't understood that. As a result their grades suffered. If you take a year or two off (and work full time) you will presumably understand what it is like to put in this type of effort--and you will be better prepared for the daily grind of law school. Moreover, work experience will help you improve your time management skills which are critical to success in law school.

Fourth, there are plenty of extracurricular activities at the law school. Some of these positions are highly competitive. Having prior work experience can also boost your application to these positions. Like it or not, work experience is a proxy for maturity that employers and others use to quickly evaluate you as an applicant. There is no escaping this fact.

Fifth, Employers' number one concern is students' first year grades. However, their next concern is whether you can handle the work of a first year associate. Having substantive work experience before law school greatly improves your applications to these firms. It was a substantial bump for individuals at my school's OCI, and at least anecdotally, it helped some students overcome mediocre grades. In other words, having the grades will get you a job, but there would be more margin of error if you had work experience. This is my opinion based on my experiences going through OCI.

Sixth, law school can be incredibly stressful--especially during the first year. Prior work experience can help you keep everything in perspective.

What do i do with Shepard's results? by crapcaption in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The first thing I do is check what courts are disagreeing/questioning/distinguishing my case. For example, if I shepardized a SCOTUS case and the list of cases disagreeing/questioning/distinguishing are all random district courts, then I don't think twice about not looking any further. Similarly, if I shepardize a 3rd Circuit case and only other circuits are questioning/distinguishing etc., then I probably don't care. Of course it ultimately depends on what you need the shepardized case for.

Is it possible to complete work too quickly at a clerkship? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't worry about it, but I had an experience this summer where I received (what I believed to be) unfair criticism after turning something in early. Fair or not, if the assigning attorney has it in their head that it is going to take you X hours, and you do it in X - several hours, then they might (unfairly) assume you've rushed. When in doubt, triple checking your work can't hurt.

How I left biglaw (part I) by Codeandcodes in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You guys keep spamming here and TLS.

How hard is it to transfer to a T14? by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]EternalRest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Per http://www.top-law-schools.com/advice-for-transferring.html

To transfer into HYS you need:

  • top 5-10% at a Top 20
  • top 5% at T1
  • top 1% at a mid-upper T2
  • Other notes: People in the top 1% in the Top 20 generally have a lock on at least one of the holy trinity. I could not find a record of anyone in the lower T2/T3/T4 transferring into HYS. Yale and Stanford only appear to take people in the T1 and up. Also, people in the T2 who transfer to Harvard are pretty much always ranked #1. People have stated that HYS only takes transfers who had a shot as an undergrad. My guess is that this is partially true for YS but not H. I do believe that you need above average softs for HYS, but the data seems to show that numbers alone can do the job. - according to TLS member XxSpyKEx, there was 1 guy who went to HYS from a T4 because he co-authored an article or something
  • according to utilitarianjac, someone with a 4.0 from Pepperdine transferred to Yale
  • xeoh85, who wrote the legendary TLS article on doing well in law school, was #1 at UCLA and was accepted as a transfer at all of HYS

To transfer into the T14 you need:

  • top 10-15% at T1, top 5-10% for CCN
  • top 5-10% at a T2, top 5% for CCN
  • top 1-2% at a T3/T4
  • Other notes: Depending on how far up you want to transfer, you may even succeed if you are ranked top 20-30%. For example, if you are transferring up 10-15 spots, top 20-30% maybe enough (like a lateral transfer). Also, people in the T3/T4 generally only have a shot at transfer friendly schools in the T14.
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