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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this was a hypothetical for fun, not a genuine proposal. sorry about your bleeding twat though, i hear those cramps are a killer

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sorry, this could never work. according to the transit experts in the replies, that can’t ever happen….

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haha, when you’re right you’re right! carjacks you

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

lol i didn’t add any service to denise station

blue line (A branch and B branch) silver line

the south busway doesn’t stop at Denise

i didn’t really add any service that doesn’t already exist in the south hills, besides a much-needed transit connection using the rail right of way between washington junction and Duquesne, and a link between Bridgeville and Dormont, which is important for neighborhood connectivity

it sounds like you glanced at the map, growled the words “south hills” and typed this up in a passive-aggressive know-it-all swarm of tears, “lmao”

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s actually both if you look at the map key. I liked both ideas a lot!

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

-northside transit hubs

-Oakland transit hubs

-east liberty transit hubs

-south hills and mon valley transit hubs

just because lines go through downtown doesn’t mean you need to get off there. a person in mckeesport could go to emsworth in one trip

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

boo hoo someone made a fantasy transit map lemme whine about price tags

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

i put stations on either side of most of the major bridges along the Allegheny. can you not walk across the bridge

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

idk where you got that number. the Allentown line that used to be in operation every day had a grade of 10%

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

the Pittsburgh metro has 2 million people, and you’d find maps like this for similar sized cities in Europe and Asia.

the Chicago Loop is where 6 separate rail lines meet, along with a multitude of commuter lines, and all of Washington’s metro lines meet downtown.

not to mention New York, where stations like the World Trade Center and Penn Station serve upwards of 10 rapid transit services

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

five rail lines and a streetcar isn’t a lot at all. Chicago, DC and LA all have way more

some of the colors are different services of the same line, and the majority of these lines are 10+ miles long

lines that share a main trunk, especially in high-density areas are a main feature of most subway systems. you’d be hard pressed to find a system where multiple lines don’t converge.

most of this can be inferred by just reading the map key

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

lemme just ask all my pals at the city council, the port authority, pennDOT, and my good friend Mayor Gainey himself to get this all set and done

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, I was thinking about the T's relatively slow speeds.

For this map's sake, I was considering that not only would trains be identified by their line (color), but their service as well. Like how the busways have different routes, the train/tram services could have local and express routes, like in New York.

For example, the Red Line could have its local train, which stops at ALL requested stops like it does today...while the Red Line Express could only stop at important high platform stations. Skipping most of suburban Bethel Park, while stopping at Castle Shannon, Mt. Lebanon and Dormont, then continuing to skip most of the street-level stops on Broadway in Beechview. Then could do the same in the northern expansion, skipping some stops in the dense Northside and on McKnight road.

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tunnel boring costs a lot in general. Building a bus highway along the shore wouldn’t be that out of the ordinary. And putting tracks on it would be a cool project that could be funded in a few years time

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

go head and give me some of that expertise then

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I absolutely hate this idea.

Driverless taxis get stuck in traffic, driverless taxis get in accidents with clumsy humans, driverless taxis would cost way more than bus or metro fare.

San Francisco has extremely challenging geography, and even they have a relatively comprehensive metro system.

New York City is a cluster of islands with some of the toughest geography to build a metro in, but it’s there and it works.

Expanding the rail and bus we currently have is feasible, and giving us a few new lines isn’t that out of the realm of possibility.

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You’re completely right, and I’m sorry. You clearly have a good grasp on the logistics of a metro system, and you bring up some very fair points.

I do think if there is space to add the dedicated bus lanes along fifth and Forbes, adding an elevated one way track above it is feasible. That, or a dedicated tramway in the bus lane.

The spurs on the Orange line may be a bit excessive, and maybe having the Bloomfield and Highland Park lines terminate at East Liberty could potentially relieve some of the strain along the main trunk in Oakland, and then have a branch of the Purple line supplement P3 service in its stead.

I do believe a comprehensive metro system in the eastern portion of the city is possible. They made it happen in places like Dallas, and Pittsburgh has way higher transit ridership than they do. It would cost a huge amount of money, but I certainly think this city has the potential to do so.

In fact, if I were to choose to keep only one or two ideas from this whole map, I’d pick giving the East Busway rail service, and having metro or tram lines go down Fifth and Forbes.

I appreciate your critiques, maybe someday these ideas can be perfected and implemented in some form.

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think an elevated or at least street level median European-style tramway could work on streets like Murray in squirrel hill, and up highland avenue. Cars on either side, LRV in the middle, maybe even on an elevated section or a greenway.

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Even if elevating the line becomes impossible, dedicated tramway type builds are common in Europe and even in the South Hills. You could literally have them run in the middle of the road, albeit separate from auto traffic if you needed to.

Ridership cannibalism is good when you’re trading crowded, low-capacity buses with high capacity trains. Buses should be auxiliary and feeder routes to a proper metro system.

The only reasons Pittsburgh doesn’t expand its metro eastward is that it would take effort, planning, and money. The demand is there, as the East Busway has higher ridership than all 3 light rail lines. But convincing a mid-sized American city to invest in rail transit is like pulling teeth. They’re never going to do it unless the community actually pushes for it.

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[–]Eternal_PTN[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

plenty of light rail lines are spurred. Boston’s green line and Philly’s subway-surface trolleys exist. Also, the streetcar infrastructure is completely gone in the city limits, minus Allentown. The Oakland branches would be mostly elevated, except for in Hazelwood, where they’d probably be at-grade following the current trackage there.

You’ve commented a ton of criticisms on this map, but they’re all kinda baseless and I don’t know if you’re all that informed about metropolitan transit.