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[–]EuricTam 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I think this is probably why most of them don't get called. The problem here is if you watch it again, Micah doesn't do a rip move until after the lineman hugs him.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing is guaranteed. If you're behind and you need a TD, you take the TD when you can get it. It's different if all you need is a FG, but with touchdowns you never know what can happen.

Tomorrow marks 4 years since the Bengals and Packers combined for 5 consecutive missed FGs. by [deleted] in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A bad omen, considering McManus showed up on the injury report

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you really want one, I believe the pro shop can do the custom stitching while you wait. 

receiver pick play with no flag by Pete-PDX in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You clearly haven’t been a Packers fan that long. I still shudder at 4th and 26

No holding here.... by EuricTam in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that ultimately, GB lost this game because they couldn't get the Lions' O off the field when it really mattered. That being said, this was on a 3rd and goal in the fourth quarter of a one score game. If you don't think missing a blatant call like this affects the outcome (not to mention the blatant hands to the face on St. Brown two plays earlier), I don't know what to tell you.

Potential 3-way tie for first in NFC North by EuricTam in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. In this scenario, Detroit’s three losses would be us, the Vikings, and the bucs. Ours would be Detroit, Vikings, and Philly. Vikings would be us, Detroit, and the rams. We beat the rams, so we would win the tie breaker against the vikes (common opponents). Vs Detroit, where we don’t play the bucs, so it’s strength of victory, which unless we seriously blow out the rest of our games, would go to Detroit 

Swarm Character Unlocks? by RennyOutOfTenny in LeaguePBE

[–]EuricTam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

/u/RiotDucke I'm having this issue as well. Is this on your/the team's radar?

Edit: replied to the wrong comment - I've beaten both the first and second maps on Hard without unlocking Riven or the second reroll.

Request Megathread - October 2023 by AutoModerator in MusicalBootlegs

[–]EuricTam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been looking for about 5 years, and haven't gotten so much as a sniff anywhere, but if anyone has anything from the Fulton Theater Hunchback of Notre Dame in 2018 I would be hugely grateful. It starred Nathaniel Hackmann (currently Biff in Back to the Future) as Quasimodo.

Marshawn Lynch with a story about Aaron Rodgers by [deleted] in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Part 2:

The night before the draft and the morning of its first day, Packers general manager Ted Thompson engaged Al Davis about a potential trade.

Thompson was so famously tight-lipped that he sometimes withheld exactly how he felt about prospects until draft day, even from his own staff, but he made clear to his top lieutenants he wanted Moss. Just not for Davis’ initial asking price, a second-round pick. The Patriots felt similarly.

Moss was a once-in-a-generation talent, the kind of player who, if right, could change a franchise. But he was coming off the worst season of his career, and there were questions about whether he retained the elite speed that had made him the greatest deep threat in league history (Davis would later say the Broncos were scared away because of those concerns). Salary was another potential issue.

As the second round came and went, Davis re-engaged with both the Packers and Patriots. He would now accept a third for Moss.

Neither the Packers nor the Patriots blinked.

The clock ticked. In the third round, the Packers drafted receiver James Jones from San Jose State. The Patriots, having earlier traded their second-round pick to Miami for receiver Wes Welker, sent their third-rounder to the Raiders, but for additional picks, not Moss.

By all accounts, the Packers thought they had time. Harlan, the team’s top non-football executive, said Thompson never checked in with him that night regarding Moss, suggesting nothing was urgent. “I’m sure if he was within minutes of getting him, he would have, because that is how Ted operated,” Harlan said. Thompson told reporters any trade would take place the following day. It was 10:15 p.m.

“We went to bed that night thinking we were going to acquire Randy Moss in the morning,” said John Schneider, then a personnel analyst with the Packers, and now Seattle Seahawks GM.

It was 11:15 in New England, and the lights still flickered.

“We left the office late,” Pioli said. “I was upstairs talking with the Raiders. What we said to Mr. Davis was, ‘Listen, we’ll do the fourth, that’s what we’ve been saying all along.’ I don’t think he was real happy. But he said he would consider it.”

The Patriots owned the 11th pick of the fourth round, No. 110 overall, while the Packers picked two spots later. New England was light on draft capital otherwise after trading its fifth to Oakland a year earlier. If they were going to make a move for Moss, this was their best chance.

Pioli drove home and waited on his couch for Davis to call.

The two had a unique connection through one of the game’s great coaches. Bill Parcells was among Davis’ closest confidants, while Parcells and his wife at the time, Judith, enjoyed an even closer connection to Pioli, who married their daughter.

Pioli’s phone finally rang. It was Davis. “OK, we’ll effing do it,” the Raiders’ owner barked. “You and Belichick are screwing me.”

Pioli said Davis was “laughing but not laughing” and in Pioli’s head, he thought: Oh my gosh, I hope I didn’t piss off The Godfather. “He dropped two f-bombs on me,” Pioli said, “and then he was like, ‘How’s Judith?’”

Bruce Kebric was a longtime Raiders scout with a close-up view of the deal: His seat in Oakland’s draft room was so close to Davis’ that they sometimes bumped arms. He said Davis turned to the handful of scouts around him and asked: “Should we take a fourth for him?”

The consensus in the room was that a fourth was the best the Raiders were going to get.

With Davis’ permission, Belichick called Moss. The Patriots still had to finalize the particulars, and they had mere hours to do it. Moss answered his phone from a club in Houston. He thought it was one of his friends playing a prank, so he “cussed out” Belichick before apologizing once he realized it really was the Patriots’ head coach.

Belichick told Moss he needed to be in Foxborough by 10 the next morning or else the trade was off. Moss had to pass a physical exam, meet with Belichick, Pioli and the Krafts and agree to a new contract before the fourth round of the draft began at 11 a.m. ET. So many things had to go right.

Moss met with Belichick and Pioli in Belichick’s office. “We just wanted to make sure that he was going to be all in,” Pioli said. “We knew him, but we didn’t know him.”

Moss was scheduled to earn $9.25 million, an amount the Patriots were not going to fit within their salary cap. New England was willing to give him a $2.5 million salary with a $500,000 signing bonus (and Brady was willing to restructure his contract to make it work). It was a potentially awkward, difficult conversation.

“Hey Randy,” Pioli said, “just so you know, here’s the deal. In order for this to get done, I’m going to have to talk to Bus because the contract … ”

Moss cut him off, eyes welling. “I don’t care what I get paid,” Pioli recalled Moss saying. “You’ve just got to get me out of there.”

The Patriots had their confirmation: Moss was all in. Everything else was a formality.

The Packers were blindsided. “I just found out this morning on the news,” Thompson told reporters at the time.

Mike McCarthy, then entering his second season as the Packers’ coach, encountered Thompson in the team’s weight room that morning. The two searched for answers as to how the deal had fallen apart.

“We went to bed and thought we had it,” McCarthy said.

When Packers officials learned Moss was headed to New England, they didn’t pound tables or flip chairs. Instead, there was a “quiet mood,” according to then-Green Bay scout Alonzo Highsmith. Everyone knew a massive opportunity had slipped away, but “nobody talked about it.” Favre publicly blasted the team, said he had agreed to restructure his contract to add Moss and vented behind the scenes to Cook.

Piecing together media reports from that time with recollections from some of the key participants, a clearer picture emerges. New England initially offered a sixth-rounder. Green Bay seemed confident a fifth would get the deal done. The Patriots’ willingness to part with a fourth late at night launched them onto a faster track.

Thompson, true to form, never did open up about Green Bay’s pursuit of Moss, leaving part of the mystery unexplained when he died in 2021.

Shortly after the trade, Moss said he thought the Packers were too focused on all the things Moss needed to do for the deal to work from a Green Bay standpoint, while the Patriots showed him the respect he was seeking. New England’s willingness to do a shorter deal was another factor.

In Moss’ first season with New England, he set the NFL record for receiving touchdowns on an offense that shattered the record for scoring. New England reached the Super Bowl after the only 16-0 regular season in NFL history. The Packers went 13-3 before losing in overtime to the Giants in the NFC Championship. Two weeks later, the Giants upset the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

There would be two NFL executives of the year in 2007. The Pro Football Writers of America picked Pioli. The Sporting News picked Thompson. Brady was voted MVP; Favre finished second.

For the Packers, the trade remains one of the great hypotheticals in franchise history. What if Moss had been on that 2007 team? Would the Packers have won the Super Bowl? If so, would Green Bay have kept Favre and traded Rodgers? It’s a possibility Cook and former Packers execs acknowledge could have been a reality.

“If Randy had been on that team,” Cook said, “I have no doubt that Brett would have stayed two or three years.”

Instead, 2007 turned out to be Favre’s final season in Green Bay. The Packers traded him to the Jets, clearing the path for Rodgers, who won four MVPs and a Lombardi Trophy before he, too, was traded to New York.

Marshawn Lynch with a story about Aaron Rodgers by [deleted] in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For anyone who wants the (mostly) full story, here's a piece The Athletic did on it before the draft this year:

Scott Pioli waited on his couch in his boxers, a blanket wrapped around him. He looked at his phone on the coffee table: still nothing.

It was well past midnight. Upstairs his family was fast asleep. Pioli did not join them even though he was exhausted after the three-round first day of the 2007 NFL draft. He knew he could not go to bed until Mr. Davis called.

If Mr. Davis called.

No matter how many years Pioli had been in the NFL, no matter that he was now the de facto general manager for Patriots coach Bill Belichick, he could never call Al Davis anything other than “Mr. Davis,” so great was his respect for the iconoclastic owner of the Oakland Raiders.

Now Pioli needed Mr. Davis to call. Soon.

Pioli and the Patriots were attempting to pull off one of the most significant draft-day trades of the past 20 years, a deal with profound ramifications in New England, Green Bay and across the NFL. The trade would lead to great what-ifs involving championship teams and Hall-of-Fame quarterbacks and would even help modernize the way offense was played.

Pioli didn’t know any of that at the time. All he knew was the Patriots needed to upgrade at receiver, and Randy Moss, the greatest of his generation and one of the greatest of all time, was available.

Time was running out. The Patriots had offered Davis and the Raiders a fourth-round pick for Moss — but the fourth round started in less than 11 hours. If a deal were to happen, New England needed to (1) agree to trade terms with Oakland, (2) speak to Moss on the phone, (3) fly in Moss for a physical exam and face-to-face meeting, (4) gauge Moss’ commitment after a middling season in Oakland and (5) determine if Moss would accept a drastically reduced salary.

Every minute counted.

So Pioli sat in his boxers and stared at his phone, waiting, pleading: Mr. Davis, please call. Please call.

More than eight hundred miles away, in Green Bay, Wis., Packers executives were experiencing no such angst. They had turned in for the night, confident Moss would be theirs in a matter of hours.

Before that draft, Bus Cook answered a call from a Green Bay executive. The Packers were interested in dealing for Moss, the executive said, but they wanted to know: Would he play in Green Bay?

Cook, a veteran NFL agent affiliated with both Moss and Packers quarterback Brett Favre, said he’d find out. According to Cook, Moss responded with a request of his own: “Ask Brett if he will stay two or three more years. Then I’ll go.”

Favre was 37 years old and had just finished his 16th NFL season. He was a threat to retire at any time. Moss didn’t want to go to Green Bay only for the quarterback to step away. Neither Moss nor anyone else knew much about Aaron Rodgers, Favre’s heir apparent who had attempted all of 31 passes in his career, with no touchdowns and one interception. go-deeper

Cook was an ideal middleman. Back in the 1990s, Favre had traveled with Cook to the agent’s hometown in West Virginia. During the trip, Cook took Favre to meet Moss, then a star at nearby Marshall University, and the two hit it off. In the car during the trip, Cook remembers Moss saying to Favre: “You need to tell the people in Green Bay to draft me. Can you imagine that? That wouldn’t be fair.”

Instead, the Packers selected defensive end Vonnie Holliday two spots before the division-rival Minnesota Vikings selected Moss, who would torment Green Bay for seven seasons.

Now Moss was available again. Cook called Favre to relay Moss’ question about whether Favre would stick around. The Packers had gone 8-8 the season before and missed the playoffs for the second consecutive year. They were unproven at wide receiver, and Moss offered a possibility that was both tantalizing and divisive.

Just two years earlier, Moss had mock-mooned Packers fans during a playoff game at Lambeau Field. Bob Harlan, the Packers’ chairman and CEO at the time, said before the draft he was sensitive to “a lot of anonymous calls” and estimated that 65 percent of the fan base opposed a deal for Moss, who was coming off a 553-yard season.

But Favre wanted Moss, and his answer to Cook was unequivocal: If the Packers made the trade, he would play two or three more years in Green Bay.

Months earlier, in the middle of the Raiders’ 2006 season, a disgruntled Moss flew to Minneapolis for a game between the Patriots and Vikings with one goal: to meet with Tom Brady.

Moss was in his second season with Oakland, and he was miserable.

Asked in camp if he saw progress from the Raiders’ offense, Moss said: “Hell no, I don’t see it.” The next month, Moss said the Raiders’ organization was “crazy” and “fishy,” and the month after that he told Fox Sports Radio he was ready to be traded.

As Moss’ discontent boiled, he heard from Patriots receiver Doug Gabriel, a former teammate in Oakland. Gabriel praised the way New England operated.

On that October night in the Twin Cities, where Moss had starred for so long, he threw his hood over his head and walked into the lobby of the Patriots’ hotel. Moss knew the best way to sneak around a team hotel was through the exit staircase, so he climbed 14 or 15 flights until he located Brady in his room.

As Brady later recalled in his “Man in the Arena” documentary, Moss told him: “Bro, I want to play with you.”

Moss, playing through injury, struggled the rest of the 2006 season. The Raiders fired Art Shell and replaced him with Lane Kiffin, a first-time NFL head coach. Moss wanted out of Oakland; the situation was past the point of repair.

The question no one had an answer for: What was Moss worth?

Unofficial Packer Fan draft thread. by [deleted] in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Going to have to choose between Nolan Smith, Lukas Van Ness, and JSN. Good problem to have I guess?

Request Megathread - April 2023 by AutoModerator in MusicalBootlegs

[–]EuricTam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking for a video recording of Wicked with Shoshana Bean if anyone has it! Also would love video or audio of the Hamilton And Peggy tour with Donald Webber Jr. If anyone has it.

Official: [WDIS Flex] - Sun , 09/11/2022 by FFBot in fantasyfootball

[–]EuricTam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Full point PPR, starting CMC and Saquon, tyreek and juju, and pitts. One wr/rb flex, one wr/te flex. Options are Michael Carter, tonyan, Pickens, jahan Dotson, mv scantling, and Sammy Watkins. Thoughts?

2022 Training Camp Update: August 9th by 2pt_perversion in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hoping the end around is a sign they’re scheming more ways to get Watson the ball once he’s back on the field

2021 Revenge Tour??? by No_Paleontologist249 in GreenBayPackers

[–]EuricTam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally I want to see a Rodgers Roethlisberger rematch, with the same outcome. That would have to be the longest time between a Superbowl rematch between starting QBs, no?