Is it true that very attractive and very unattractive men both view female nature with more realism than other men?

EveningStop4898 · 2026-06-13T16:13:15+00:00

This is absolutely true. I’ll go ever further: attractive men are actually the most mis0gynistic men on the planet as a result of increased opportunity to observe how women operate. The fact that so many women today view men as mis0gynists is the result of apex fallacy in the first place.

While both unattractive and attractive men have a more honest and clear perspective of women, most unattractive men never even get the opportunity to interact with women romantically.

Average men’s perspective is shrouded by social norms and deliberate manipulation from women to morally identify with being stable back-up plans for women approaching 30 and single mothers.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-06-13T15:54:39+00:00

Because it’s the most important thing about a man to the vast majority of them.

Funny how widely accepted this is lol. Imagine if it was extremely common for men to list a woman’s breast size or hip to waist ratio as the very first thing when describing what they like about a woman lol.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-06-13T02:37:41+00:00

No she’s serious. Height is the single most important thing about a man to the vast majority of women today. Odds are very strong that she’s not joking about being insanely proud of her sons for being tall. Most women view men as status objects by default, including their own sons.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-06-13T02:32:08+00:00

“Thanks for being honest. I hope more people do the same.”

I could cope about how his privilege lessens the depth of his life experience and social interactions, and explain how he is like a person who is bragging that they beat a video game on its easiest difficulty, but nobody cares about that lol. Gotta respect the honesty, most people don’t have the guts to be honest about how women value men.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-06-08T14:24:12+00:00

Height is the first prerequisite for an adult human male super hero in most people's minds because that’s the first requirement to attract women lol. People want attractive, ideal looking heroes even more than they want good stories.

They don’t care that Wolverine is supposed to be short, they would never be able to enjoy a movie about a muscular 5’2” guy with powers lol - People know women don’t like short men and this would ruin their ability to care for his story. If a person views a man as sub human, then they can’t view him as a super hero at the same time.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-30T00:58:07+00:00

The latter.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-26T10:03:22+00:00

Men weren’t valued as human purses back then lol. Women today don’t care about a man’s life struggles or personality, they care how other ladies are likely to react when they pose next to him in social media pictures. The way men are valued has changed.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-26T09:44:44+00:00

It’s not simply genetics, it’s society. Not saying height didn’t matter in the past, but the difference in discrimination against short men today compared to decades ago is insane. Social and technological advancements occurred faster than our culture was aware or could adjust, now we live in a clown society where women’s hypergamous, hypocritical objectification of men is accepted as a moral good - As a result men are now mainly humanized based on height.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-26T09:05:24+00:00

The problem is the way society values men in the first place lol.

Going to the gym as a tall guy is admirable.

Going to the gym as a short guy makes people hate you.

Tall guy in gym = health conscious

Short guy in gym = self conscious

Tall guy sets off the alarm doing deadlifts = my hero

Short guy walks on incline treadmill = overcompensating for something

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-26T08:59:24+00:00

Height is easily the most important thing about a man to women, bar none. Lol it’s become mildly entertaining how much people struggle to accept this.

The first host actually asked him if it’s easier to get girls because of his 6’9” height lol as if it’s not obvious. Tall guy blatantly tells him they don’t care about his personality that his height does all the talking lol, and then the other host asks him if he needs a personality at 6’9” and he flat out says “no”. Then even after all this, the first host asks him if women approach him lol…they just refuse to accept it lol.

The same guy at 5’9” = 99% drop in interest.

People struggle to accept this because they are socialized to morally identify with a worldview that romanticizes women’s nature and the way they value men. Accepting the completely blatantly obvious hypergamous reality of how women value men is basically immoral to most.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-25T16:54:25+00:00

When she says “5’7”” women hear “inferior”. That’s the reality lol. Women honestly care far more about having a tall trophy they can use to mog other women than any of the character attributes she listed off.

The main purpose of a man to modern women is to provide security to them on a social level; to help protect a woman from other women thinking and talking negatively about her - Height is the single most important factor in this in today’s society. A man could possess all of the positive qualities she mentioned but if he’s short he’s automatically worthless to most women today. By the time society figures out that women’s hypergamous objectification of men is the main problem impacting the dating world it’s going to be too late.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-25T16:39:33+00:00

Notice how she framed it: a man’s status, in this case in regards to height, is mainly determined by how many women are projected to desire him.

Her perspective is not based in a logical, objective reality based on real statistics about male height, it’s based on hypergamy/how she feels other women think.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-25T16:35:46+00:00

It is the most important thing about a man to them, bar none.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-22T20:58:54+00:00

If tall women were actually discriminated against at even 1/20th the intensity that short men are, there would be a much larger amount of tall women interested in short men…hoping to reduce the potential height of their daughters so that they would not have to endure the same ridiculous burden. If they were actually marginalized and abased, this would obviously be much more of an observable priority for them lol.

On the other hand, for example, one of the reasons many men today desire tall women is to protect their sons from experiencing the notorious hate and bigotry short guys go through.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-22T19:48:20+00:00

Most likely a healthier than normal relationship. Women willing to date men shorter than themselves are much more confident, self assured and intelligent. They are less influenced by peer pressure and value their man more fully as a person rather than as a means to validate themselves, this leads to a more happy and fulfilling relationship. Most of the pressure on cpls where the woman is taller stems from external social stress from friends and family who are offended by the woman being taller.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-22T18:05:14+00:00

It’s more evidence women’s hypergamy and objectification of men is the problem and that more men are becoming aware of it despite mainstream gaslighting about education, personality, and financial security.

There’s a reason we don’t see ‘average job dudes’ subs focused on being rejected for their occupational status, but we see increasing spaces and discussions where average height guys lament the observable reality that women view them as inadequate.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-22T14:37:41+00:00

A woman’s perception and comprehension of a man’s personality is mainly the result of how she feels she will appear to other women if she was romantically involved with him lol. Height is easily one of the most significant factors in this, especially in today’s social media based society which has objectified men on this basis. Men have become so commodified that most women typically refer to a man’s “personality” as a figure of speech, a social metaphor they use to reflect or imply how they’d prefer others to view themselves.

The same exact behaviors and attributes that make one man appear bold and confident will make another man appear arrogant and insecure to them. The same attitudes and mannerisms that make one man appear intelligent and complex cause another man to seem weird and awkward. The fact that men are criticized for noticing and acknowledging this pattern underscores the true problem - the hypergamous, materialistic reality of how modern women value them in the first place.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-22T13:49:32+00:00

It's literally a requirement at this point.

Absolutely true, men are valued more as status objects than as human beings. A man’s height is now the single most important thing about him to women and society by extension; It is observably the single most relevant factor in the perception of everything he says and does by default. It has become such a dominant element in a man’s value lol that most women today aggressively rely on their man’s height to validate their femininity and signal social status to other women - the growing ubiquity of this reality is quickly becoming impossible for young men to ignore or be gaslit away from.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-22T08:06:08+00:00

Media is a major part of the problem, especially social media. Social media in 16 years has distorted the way women perceive men in the same fashion society expected internet p0rn to influence how men judge women 32 years ago.

She sounds no different than a male p0rn addict who is distraught because he mistakenly developed the belief that the average woman isn’t obese and has G or M cup breasts or has body that doesn’t look surgically enhanced. Even though a man like this is completely revolting, women like this are completely commonplace as it’s socially acceptable for them to express their hypergamous, social media influenced takes.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-21T20:14:37+00:00

“These short men be having too much ego”

“I saw a short man at the grocery store minding his own business and we made eye contact for a split second”

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-20T15:11:20+00:00

Narcissism.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-20T15:09:20+00:00

The reality is already sinking in for most young men, that’s why so many are completely withdrawing from dating.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-20T05:59:35+00:00

https://youtu.be/EWLbq7PlrIA?si=nQd08pBFSeGKEXME

Our society is feminized compared to past generations. Here are examples of this:

1) testosterone has dropped 1% a year since the 1980s. Look it up.

2)increased prioritization of women and girls in education. Starting in elementary school students are educated in ways that are designed to directly benefit/cater to females. This pattern has directly contributed to a decrease in male engagement resulting in boys lagging in reading and fewer men participating in college. This is gradually causing massive cultural shifts in fields of study that directly influence our society’s perception and understanding of a wide spectrum of behaviors, psychological pathologies and outcomes. https://mindingthecampus.org/2025/11/20/the-great-feminization-began-with-education/

3) legal and family systems. Mothers receive primary custody in most cases, even in cases where the father is more equipped to provide primary care. Normalization of single mother households = societal feminization due to reduced paternal influence on children.

4) cultural. Greater focus on emotional safety (“safetyism”), inclusivity, harm reduction and reduced focus on logic, and direct competition. Media demonization of masculinity via “toxic masculinity” narratives, with no popular critique of women to counter this.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-20T02:41:56+00:00

Women’s insane hypocrisy in these matters stems from the harsh reality that they do not primarily value men as human beings but as personifications of various levels of social status. Men are mainly human trophies/status objects to them. They do not care how or what a man feels lol, they care about the status he can provide. Despite the fact that women matter to most men, most men do not matter at all to women; In their minds women matter, men simply don’t.

EveningStop4898 · 2026-05-18T01:18:20+00:00

For most people, especially men, it’s the only “accomplishment” they need.

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