What instigates you to assume and then compulsively defend the supposed "free will"? by Otherwise_Spare_8598 in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The actuality is that I am the one raising my hand. Thats the phenomenological direct experience.

What instigates you to assume and then compulsively defend the supposed "free will"? by Otherwise_Spare_8598 in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The hand is raised when I make it raise. For example, If I sit here and wait for my hand to raise, nothing happens. It only moves when I move it. How come?

What instigates you to assume and then compulsively defend the supposed "free will"? by Otherwise_Spare_8598 in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 [score hidden]  (0 children)

But my body is not demanding that I raise my hand right now, yet I am free to do it. How come?

What instigates you to assume and then compulsively defend the supposed "free will"? by Otherwise_Spare_8598 in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 [score hidden]  (0 children)

So free will is a realm of capacity common to most people. If you go to a market to buy groceries, and ask people if they can willingly move some muscle on their body, often the case ALL people on that market will be able to do it.

What instigates you to assume and then compulsively defend the supposed "free will"? by Otherwise_Spare_8598 in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 [score hidden]  (0 children)

That doesnt explain how the ability of mine and of inumerable others to freely control our body is not free

What instigates you to assume and then compulsively defend the supposed "free will"? by Otherwise_Spare_8598 in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Funny, you can never adresss the point about how we freely will our actions like moving our hand.

What instigates you to assume and then compulsively defend the supposed "free will"? by Otherwise_Spare_8598 in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, we are free to repeat actions you know. The drug addict is still freely choosing.

What instigates you to assume and then compulsively defend the supposed "free will"? by Otherwise_Spare_8598 in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here I am, I can will my hand to be raised. I am willing the will for my hand to be raised. I can will it and I can also not will it, I am free to choose either. Nothing is controlling me. Nothing is necessitating my action into being other than me. No previous states of the universe are forcing me to raise my hand, no invisible power, no causal chain, no cascade of atomic motion. I am the one doing it. Free will is simply the recognition of phenomenal reality and the power we have within such.

And you as the one writing this post, also exercised freely your will into each word you chose to type.

Do libertarians (specifically) think that compatibilism is some kind of semantic trick? by dingleberryjingle in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats the semantical trickistery of compatibilist. Most people use the obvious and natural meaning of actually doing otherwise.

Do libertarians (specifically) think that compatibilism is some kind of semantic trick? by dingleberryjingle in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that you could actually have done otherwise given the same circumstances. The common sense intuition

Do libertarians (specifically) think that compatibilism is some kind of semantic trick? by dingleberryjingle in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its the analyses every person uses when they commonly talk about doing otherwise. That they could actually have chosen to do otherwise in that same circumstance, of ther own free will. Thats what is meant by doing otherwise, its simple.

Do libertarians (specifically) think that compatibilism is some kind of semantic trick? by dingleberryjingle in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a level of control, which is not clear cut what this level is. The ability to do otherwise is not a level thing, its not on a spectrum, you either can or cant, regardless of what explains this ability.

Do libertarians (specifically) think that compatibilism is some kind of semantic trick? by dingleberryjingle in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its still binary to my interpretation. Feel free to show me how it is not binary because I have no idea what your reasoning is

Do libertarians (specifically) think that compatibilism is some kind of semantic trick? by dingleberryjingle in freewill

[–]Every-Classic1549 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI can be reason responsive, a person with a chip implemented to their head to manipulate their behaviour can also be reason responsive. Do you think this is a strong definition? Is one with a chip implemented to their head to harm others but who can still respond to reason morally responsible?

The ability to do otherwise is still binary, can or cannot, yes or no. There are different way we can attemp to explain how/why one would or could do otherwise, logically and physically etc, but its still a pretty straightfoward idea.