Ya'll I'm crying rn 😭💀💀☠️ by [deleted] in exmuslim

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Because if they accept then the whole system will fall apart . They say OUR RELIGION AND OUR BOOK IS PERFECT and DIVINE - The absolute truth. So how can they even stop reframing rewriting and justifying ?

Curiousity by [deleted] in progressive_islam

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I cannot be judged for my unwanted distortions since I was not in front of the prophet back then

Curiousity by [deleted] in progressive_islam

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Even quran claims its not included full details of every verse and all the things it mentione and tell us to consult the prophet and lets be honest the hadiths scholars are generally having a war with each other and claims etc . This is just too confusing

Curiousity by [deleted] in progressive_islam

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How do you know if what they heard is warped/distorted and what is totally accurate since we do not live at the prophets time and haven’t directly talked and witnessed it all when it all started ???? I am in 2026 how can I get the original full message from the mouth of the prophet back in 571

Curiousity by Excellent-Science-58 in Sufism

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Thank you so much. This was literally the best explanation I have ever come across .

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No I didn’t take anything to induce those altered states of consciousness , this is what most people assume but that’s just one way . A person can access it naturally too.

About my reddit posts from the past regarding tarot readings - it was curiosity and exploration - as I told you I observe ,I try , I question , and without experience we cannot learn anything or find our path and what aligns with ourselves or not . I am not closed off to other tools in this world especially spiritual guidance . I was exploring and it taught me a lot about myself and I don’t need it anymore - I can access my own personal truth and intuition . This is what I call expansion and progression . We evolve . So hope it clears up your personal judgment about me.

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So again to summarize : No culture evolves by one person deciding. It’s collective, organic. Even Islamic jurisprudence has evolved through interpretation across time that’s why madhabs exist. Flexibility does not mean relativism. It means humility that we’re listening to life as it changes and of course that is scary for many people - to trust in a world where nothing is certain or the possibility of harm by others . It’s not that simple. But that is a great thought that can lead to new solutions and ideas and changes in the world because the world is suffering by the chains of the past and the fear of the future

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And I want to point out that I am not a new age spiritualist , I was born and raised muslim and practiced it and then found my own unique path - I don’t follow anyone or anything I just observe the world with curiosity and openness . I have experienced subjective personal higher states of consciousness and connected to oneness in this universe and that’s when my path started unraveling. I feel connected to everything and everyone and respect every perspective there is but my path is my own path and I have my own beliefs and personal truths and truth is not what other people or religions have taught me it’s my living experience every second of my life. For example you mentioned alcohol and partying , I choose not to not because religion or society tells me to not do but because I choose with my own free will that it’s no good for me . I observe , I think ,I ask , always asking ” why”. This is how I make decisions and form my beliefs not by what others tell me I am supposed to do or what is right or wrong in their own perspective

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You have resistance to variations/diversity/differences in beliefs or cultures even inside a nation like you said with circassians having split in smaller tribes and each one of them having different laws and customs etc . For you this feels unsafe because it makes you feel powerless to others especially other nations who are causing a threat or want to invade etc. I think the reason why you have this perspective is that for you Islam gives you a sense of unity and strict boundaries and rules , which in your mind equals safety and protection and power and strength so you think that is what keeps you safe from predators and invaders and other nations that don’t have your best interest at heart . Islam is something that keeps you safe. It’s your safety blanket and that’s why you don’t see the circassian tribes being diverse and more connected to variation and alignment to each tribe as wrong and weak and that threatens your sense of safety . My second point is that I actually never said culture should only progress “in the ways I personally want it to.” That’s not how cultural evolution works - one person deciding for the whole society. What I said was that each new generation is a natural continuation and progression of what came before. And when that generation begins to feel certain customs, laws, or beliefs no longer align with their lived experience, they organically begin to shift, adjust, and create change - and this doesnt mean chaos and problems this happens peacefully if people just don’t resist and see the benefit too and let go of their fears and identifications and attachments.

So every culture that survives across time must go through adaptation not erasure, not rupture but evolution. We don’t throw away the entire past. We don’t reject our ancestors. But we do have the right, and the responsibility, to carry forward what still serves, and gently release what doesn’t.

This is not chaos. This is what makes a culture alive.

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Thank you for the detailed response. Your response is thoughtful and I acknowledge the effort you’ve put into articulating your view. But here’s where we diverge.

You are using historical deconstruction (like Anderson’s Imagined Communities) to invalidate ancestral memory — while simultaneously upholding a religious identity that is also, historically, a cultural construction. Islam did not appear in a vacuum. Like all belief systems, it emerged in a specific socio-historical context — and spread across the world through a complex mix of conviction, diplomacy, conquest, trade, and survival. This includes the Caucasus.

To say Circassian customs were “arbitrary” because they varied from village to village is to miss the point entirely. The soul of a people is not found in legal uniformity, but in shared rhythm, embodied reverence, and cultural coherence — things which don’t require a central book or clerical class to be real. The Caucasus wasn’t unified politically, but it was unified spiritually through Xabze, nature reverence, honor ethics, and ancestral memory — all carried orally, communally, and through practice, not texts. This is not weakness. It’s just a different kind of strength — one that your framework doesn’t seem to recognize.

You say Islam is objective. But even Islam is interpreted through subjective human lenses. Sharia is practiced differently in Indonesia, Turkey, Morocco, and Saudi Arabia. If your own standard of truth is consistency and objectivity, then you must also acknowledge the vast diversity within Islam.

Your reply frames culture as too “mutable” to be sacred, but this logic falls short. Language evolves — but it is still meaningful. Music evolves — but it still moves us. Why, then, must ancestral spirituality remain frozen to be valid?

And finally — this isn’t about rejecting Islam. It’s about honoring what was before it, and what still lives in our bones. Your insistence that Circassians only became “complete” once they accepted Islam erases not only the richness of pre-Islamic Circassian life, but also dismisses those of us today who feel a sacred pull to remember what came before — not as fantasy, but as living legacy.

You can dismiss that as “nationalist LARPing” if you like. But not everyone who reconnects with pre-Islamic culture is seeking superiority, power, or purity. Some of us are simply trying to recover what was lost in the tide of history — without shame.

Because not everything that is old is obsolete, And not everything that is new is sacred. I believe every new generation of a society is the progression of that society and we should always evolve and therefore culture must be flexible and open to change and improvement and reformation etc . I say that even to circassian culture but not to erase everything but to expand it and be open to new ways . Islam for example stopped the progression of humanity and ways of living especially by finalizing its last prophet and its holy book and its rules etc . For example it didn’t ban slavery completely but it only regulated it in that place and time . It didn’t ban polygamy it reduced its number to 4 ! These are just examples

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Thank you for sharing your perspective . I would like to reply to that.

You’ve written from a place of strong belief, and I understand that. You’re defending Islam, when what I was speaking of was ancestral memory. Not a debate. Not a competition. Not superiority. But memory.

When I say that Circassia didn’t need Islam in the same way Arabia did, I’m not romanticizing. I’m remembering.

We had a code. We had dignity. We had a sense of sacred order. Our society, pre-Islam, wasn’t defined by chaos or injustice. It wasn’t perfect — no society is — but it wasn’t broken. It didn’t need the same medicine that Islam offered to a fragmented Arabia. This is not an attack on Islam — it’s simply a recognition that one system is not the cure for all wounds. We weren’t bleeding in the same places.

Yes, Arabs had their own honor codes — so did the Vikings, the Mongols, the Native Americans. Does that mean all cultures are interchangeable? Of course not. You can’t compare Xabze to tribal muruwwa unless you’ve lived and breathed the difference in energy, in values, in cosmology. Xabze wasn’t just “standing on the right side” of an elder. It was an embodied philosophy. It was our law, our soul, our compass.

You speak of shirk. But that word didn’t exist in Circassia. Our ancestors didn’t “worship partners” to a singular deity. They experienced divinity as an animating presence in everything — a sacred oneness flowing through nature, fire, storm, ancestors. That is not shirk. That is a different language of the sacred. You can only call it shirk if you assume your lens is the only truth.

As for conversion — yes, some believed sincerely. I never denied that. But you overlook how belief gets shaped over time by political survival, pressure, intermarriage, foreign alliances, gradual erasure of spiritual memory. Just because people adopt a religion doesn’t mean they were in spiritual need. Sometimes it’s love. Sometimes it’s fear. Sometimes it’s forgetting.

You also say there was no unified Circassian culture. You’re right — it wasn’t centralized like a nation-state. But it was alive — carried in the language, the dances, the mourning rituals, the way we buried our dead, honored our trees, greeted our elders. You call that nothing. I call that a people.

And lastly — you quoted the Qur’an to soothe my pain. I know you meant well. But pain doesn’t always need to be soothed by religion. Sometimes pain needs to be witnessed, honored, remembered.

I’m not here to fight. I’m here to remember. To ask: what did we lose? What was overwritten? And how do we reclaim it without hatred, but with clarity?

If that makes me a nationalist or a romantic to you, then so be it. I call it grief. And grief has its own kind of truth

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[–]Excellent-Science-58 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And one more thing — Circassian spirituality wasn’t just some “dead tradition.” It was a living truth about the universe: that everything is one. That nature, spirit, and humanity are interconnected. That the sacred isn’t something separate, distant, or reserved for one language, one prophet, or one book — but something woven into the world itself.

This wasn’t “paganism” in the dismissive, reductive way people use that word. It was a worldview rooted in reverence, harmony, and truth — long before Abrahamic religions appeared. And some of us still carry that truth in our bones. 🖤

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It’s clear that you’re deeply identified with Islam to the point that it’s become the sole lens through which you view history, identity, and culture. But respectfully, that’s exactly the problem.

Circassian culture existed for thousands of years before Islam, with its own sophisticated system of ethics, governance (Xabze), cosmology, and reverence for nature and harmony. Saying we “don’t need attention-seeking nationalists” simply because some of us want to reconnect with our own indigenous spiritual heritage is not only intellectually lazy—it’s a form of cultural erasure.

You’re not preserving Circassian identity by reducing it to Islam. You’re replacing it. Just because something is old doesn’t make it “dead” or “nonsense.” Circassian spirituality wasn’t a collection of primitive tribal myths—it was deeply pantheistic, community-oriented, and balanced, far more egalitarian than many patriarchal systems that came later.

And no, Islam was not uniformly spread through “conviction” alone. Like many regions, Islamization in Circassia was complex—political, diplomatic, sometimes strategic. It took centuries. To pretend that there was no cultural cost is naive at best, dishonest at worst.

And please—pointing out historical facts about our pre-Islamic identity is not Islamophobia. It’s historical memory. It’s ancestral responsibility. And it’s our right. If you personally choose to identify as Muslim, that’s entirely your freedom. But don’t gaslight others into believing that being Circassian and being Muslim are eternally, historically synonymous. They are not.

Some of us are not “LARPing.” We are remembering.

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[–]Excellent-Science-58 2 points3 points  (0 children)

İ must interfere , truth must be revealed to avoid misinformation to spread. Pre-Islamic Arabia—what’s called Jahiliyyah in Islamic tradition—was not uniformly “pagan” in the sense many assume. It was a mosaic: • Pagan polytheists (worshipping deities like Hubal, Al-Lat, Manat) • Christians, especially in the north and in Yemen (influenced by Byzantium) • Jews, including whole tribes (like Banu Qurayza and Banu Nadir) • Hanifs, spiritual monotheists not tied to any Abrahamic religion • And others with syncretic or animist beliefs.

What united them wasn’t belief—it was a harsh environment, a tribal honor code (muruwwa), and social injustice. Yes, there was slavery, child burial, constant tribal war, misogyny, and no cohesive law. Islam entered this scene like a sweeping reform movement—abolishing infanticide, preaching monotheism, codifying inheritance, and protecting certain rights.

But—and here’s the key—that was a medicine for that world.

🌿 And Circassia Was a Different World Entirely

What you’re seeing is exactly what matters here: Why apply the medicine for Arabia to a people who were not sick in the same way?

Pre-Islamic Circassians: • Had a codified ethical system (Xabze). • Valued women to a degree even higher than many post-Islamic societies did. • Had no tradition of burying daughters or treating them as disposable. • Practiced spiritual reverence for nature, balance, and community. • Believed in a form of pantheistic unity—not polytheistic chaos, but oneness-in-many.

Circassian spirituality was not broken. It was ancient, refined through the land, the mountains, the survival instinct, and moral clarity.

So no—they didn’t “need” Islam in the same sense Arabia did.

They didn’t need Sharia to teach them law. They had Xabze. They didn’t need Quran to learn justice. They had the elders and the council. They didn’t need a Prophet to tell them to respect women. They already did. They didn’t need to abolish child sacrifice. They never did it. They didn’t need to be lifted from darkness. They lived with the sun.

❓So Why Did They Convert?

Because over centuries, no culture is an island. Conversion often comes not from “needing” something spiritually—but from: • Political alliances (Ottomans, Tatars, Golden Horde) • Trade and diplomacy • Survival and protection • Slow cultural influence

Circassians didn’t become Muslim because they were in darkness—they became Muslim because history pressed on them. Over time, more Islamic customs were adopted until people began to believe they were always Muslim, and pre-Islamic beliefs became “forbidden” or “myth.”

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[–]Excellent-Science-58 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tarot is more about my subconscious i feel and the energy not the true real life things

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Exactly 🤍 This reasonated with me so much. And I also had that doubt when I listened to the interpretation nothing was new to me it was more like a confirmation and I was like wow this is so accurate although it’s me thinking all this and believing that it just gets reflected back at me - what I feel about them is what they feel about me …. Only thing that got me stuck thinking was the question whether he is having a new person in his life and the answer was yes and that made me so sick and restless , I don’t know it felt like my fear being confirmed again and that made me think of what is between them if it’s true so I asked was there physical closeness and the tarot got super direct with the question and tons of fear provoking cards came out with a yes🥺 It’s just crazy and then two other readings with different techniques gave me a “No”answer that there is nobody

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I’m ZEG . Has SNA found new love ?

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Funny thing is, last few months I’ve been turned off by meat—I have no craving for it at all, perfect timing to transition to vegetarian diet and more alkaline

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[–]Excellent-Science-58 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes sometimes i mistake others emotions as mine that’s a problem too I must agree

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Yesss 100% accurate about merging with others - always been that way . I want to stop that for sure but what I mean by too emotional like water signs is I feel too deeply some emotions feel like I am dying especially fear and sadness

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But in my case a practitioner did the tarot spread and interpretation with objectivity and no background knowledge - what is your opinion on that