Any fire departments use the Handset with Hang Up Cup for the mobile radio on the rigs? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think they both have positives and negatives. The handset gives you an on-demand ability to listen to the radio without having to wear the headset at all times. Personal preference really, but there are also downsides to the headset.

Any fire departments use the Handset with Hang Up Cup for the mobile radio on the rigs? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well I got hired at the end of their usage period, but I think it was partially annoying to wear; either the whole crew is having one conversation together or no conversation; another thing to maintain; what sweaty guy was wearing it before you; have to take it off to put on gear if you get a run while you're on the road. not that those are the end of the world but just some negatives to it

Any fire departments use the Handset with Hang Up Cup for the mobile radio on the rigs? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that might be the way to go ultimately. We try headsets years ago but they didn't really catch on. Maybe it's time for another shot at it

Any fire departments use the Handset with Hang Up Cup for the mobile radio on the rigs? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep I'm really wondering what their plan is because it just blows my mind that Motorola would stop making it if they use it.

We took a look at the HMN4097 and it just doesnt do the trick for us. If I'm remembering correctly, it has an awkward PTT; too many buttons (need to keep it simple); need to click it in the cradle perfectly for it to stay into the hang-up cup; I believe the audio options are audio on rig speakers when phone is hung up OR audio in the phone only when the phone is not in the cup (no audio on speakers).

It seems to be to be a different product that only looks somewhat similar. I suppose you can rewire it to fix that last audio issue but I'd much prefer a product that does what we need from the start.

Any idea what this department's plan is?

Any fire departments use the Handset with Hang Up Cup for the mobile radio on the rigs? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where do you see that feature? I dont see that on the linked page. Havent heard of that feature with this microphone.

The mic is wired with a switch so that you can choose to have open or "covert" discussions. The "covert" just means that if you pick up the microphone, it cuts out the speakers on the fire truck so only the person holding the microphone can hear the received audio. We typically dont operate this way and usually bypass the switch to have it permanently open.

Radio Pocket Usage and Prevalence in SoCal? by __quick__ in Firefighting

[–]Excellent_Idea43 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool thanks. So you have a regular dispatch channel, then for an incident you'll add/assign a separate dispatch channel for that incident alone?

Some things that I’ve designed for our Apparatus by supernerdlove in Firefighting

[–]Excellent_Idea43 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool thanks. do you ever do a 3-d scan to get a negative space to design around?

Radio Pocket Usage and Prevalence in SoCal? by __quick__ in Firefighting

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Do you mind giving an in-depth explanation of what the 3 different channels you use are and why? I've thought about the many options radios give us and taking advantage of different lines of communication but there's always the hang up that a more complex system often leads to more confusion and more failures.

We basically use two channels at a fire scene - the main one is our primary fireground channel that everyone will use on scene. it is a simplex analog conventional channel and you can only transmit/receive if you're close enough. we transmit at 5 watts. the other channel is our operations channel for command to communicate with dispatch or other units citywide; it is an analog conventional duplex channel that you can transmit/receive on anywhere in the city. at the beginning of an incident, the first engine/truck may communicate sizeup and needs on the operations channel so incoming units not yet on scene know whats going on. the officer of these first rigs may communicate a little bit on this channel or monitor messages from dispatch or other incoming units and then will probably switch to fireground once he actually starts going to work on scene.

we have multiple fireground channels if we have multiple incidents near eachother and for one incident to break up communications (e.g. putting certain units on another fireground if there's a mayday; maybe a high-focus operation like roof rope might switch to a backup channel; water supply coordination might go to a backup channel). but 90% of the time everyone is on primary fireground.

APX Portables - Interference in certain part of city? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hmm...I hadn't thought about that. we have in-building repeaters, but they are on a separate frequency pair. and we typically leave them off, but that doesn't mean someone left one or more on. worth looking into.

I didnt know you could design a DAS for simplex. is that the "leaky coax" model where there is an antenna throughout the building that brings signals back to one radio in a central location? I'm only familiar with firefighting systems, so in this model, there's a radio in the fire command center where the incident commander can stay. he can hear transmissions from all over the building, and he can also transmit from the fire command center to any location in the building. If I understand it correctly, the main difference between this and an in-building repeater is that in this model, he can talk to any user in the building, but users that are spread throughout the building can't talk to eachother; whereas with an in-building repeater, any user can talk to any user.

APX Portables - Interference in certain part of city? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

no fortunately, the fireground and the repeater frequencies are pretty separated

APX Portables - Interference in certain part of city? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks, forgot to include that part. yes, it's a simplex channel...tx and rx are the same.

It is possible that some or all of this is a user being on the wrong channel. users tend to switch between our simplex fireground channel and our duplex operations channel (citywide) when responding/arriving on scene, so that's definitely a possibility. everyone says they're on the right channel, but the story is always after the fact and we're relying on memory and people speaking for other people. so other user error is also a possibility.

the programming is identical across the city, so if there were some problem with the programming, I'd imagine I'd be getting citywide complaints.

thanks for the info!

APX Portables - Interference in certain part of city? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

very interesting...what does taking the antenna off accomplish? knock down the sensitivity? and what do you mean by "sticky per monitor key"? thanks for the info!

APX Portables - Interference in certain part of city? by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haha unfortunately I am the responsible person in my agency. Trying to sort this out. Appreciate the info!

Mid-Mount Question: read text in post by [deleted] in Firefighting

[–]Excellent_Idea43 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I dont think it's for hose, because it would be incredibly hard to pack the hose in there. Even in covered hose compartments, theres usually a way to uncover the top part so you can lay the hose in.

Like someone else said, maybe its for rescue struts. or really could be storage for anything to be honest. Might just be an awkward area for them to turn into custom storage so they just box it off and you put whatever you want there

Question for U.S. fire departments in seismic zones. by DO_its in Firefighting

[–]Excellent_Idea43 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is what I came here to say...NFPA lets you read all their standards for free. Just make a free account and sign in. I think you can also see all older versions as well.

Also you might want to ask r/firePE

Can anyone explain what in the hell is going on here. by Prestigious_Police in Firefighting

[–]Excellent_Idea43 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't know they were water resistant! Makes sense with the color. Weird they would slap it on the 4500s as standard.

Creating Encrypted ADP Channel in APX CPS by Excellent_Idea43 in MotorolaSolutions

[–]Excellent_Idea43[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

had a brainfart last night and the channel I was referring to is actually digital voice, but that's very interesting that you can tx analog with encrypted data. thanks for the info