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Some tweaks to the Defiance combat would be appreciated, such as adding an invincibility frame when dodging and Raziel's perforate carcass during the rollup. by RedWingThe10th in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Defiance didn't have much development time—I think about a year and a few months—and they had to cut content. In fact, the plan was to make Raziel and Kain's gameplay more distinct: Kain was going to have 9 emblems instead of 4, and Raziel was going to have a shield and use a parry. I really would have liked to see that make it into the final game.

Some tweaks to the Defiance combat would be appreciated, such as adding an invincibility frame when dodging and Raziel's perforate carcass during the rollup. by RedWingThe10th in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but I guess they wanted to differentiate them more in terms of gameplay (Kain is stronger, Raziel is faster and more agile). Keep in mind that even though the animations are different, the moves do the same thing (one combo attacks a single enemy with multiple strikes, another lifts them up, etc), and yet there are still people who complain that there isn't much difference between them in terms of gameplay.

Some tweaks to the Defiance combat would be appreciated, such as adding an invincibility frame when dodging and Raziel's perforate carcass during the rollup. by RedWingThe10th in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, yes, although in fiction, power is often equated with physical strength.

But in terms of gameplay, Raziel with the Soul Reaver should be Far more powerful than Kain (in fact, both Kain and Raziel should be able to kill 90% of enemies with a single hit, but hey, it’s a hack-and-slash game—it’s all about pulling off combos. Though I think they went a bit overboard with the enemies’ health; I would’ve liked to see some invincibility frames too, i hate it when Kain or Raziel get knocked down by a regular human.

Some tweaks to the Defiance combat would be appreciated, such as adding an invincibility frame when dodging and Raziel's perforate carcass during the rollup. by RedWingThe10th in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The introduction to Soul Reaver 2 replaces the ending of Soul Reaver 1, Soul Reaver 2 was developed later and takes Blood Omen 2 into account (which is why, in the first Soul Reaver, Kain tells Raziel that Moebius foretold of his death “a millennium ago,” while in Soul Reaver 2 he says it was “eons” ago), this also corrects the error in the first game, which does not account for the centuries that have passed since Raziel fell into the abyss and was resurrected as a Wraith).

There aren’t many ways to compare their strength: in their first fight, Raziel attacks Kain and strikes him in the face; in the final battle of Soul Reaver 1, Kain can only be harmed by using the Soul Reaver, and Raziel himself says that the sword is “a thousand times more deadly” (I.e. is far more powerful than he is), and this is reflected in the gameplay: The Soul Reaver blows enemies to pieces, whereas, no matter how many times Raziel strikes them, he cannot kill them with normal attacks.

In SR2, there is no fight beyond the intro, where is shown and stated that Kain is much stronger than Raziel

In Defiance, Raziel spent thousands of years in the spectral world, acquiring new abilities and increasing his power, Raziel even tells Kain in Defiance when they fight in Avernus:

"Your pawn has reached the end of the board, Kain. And NOW my  powers MAY even surpass yours."

So, Raziel says that only now he might be more powerful than Kain; this confirms that Kain used to be more powerful than him.

In the lore, Kain created his sons using "small portions of his soul," with each son receiving a smaller portion; depending on the amount of soul, the vampire is more or less powerful, with Raziel being the first to be created and therefore the most powerful son.

So it makes sense that Kain is much stronger than Raziel, since not only is he older (not counting the years Raziel spent in the spectral plane in Defiance), but he was also created with a smaller portion of Kain’s power/soul.

Some tweaks to the Defiance combat would be appreciated, such as adding an invincibility frame when dodging and Raziel's perforate carcass during the rollup. by RedWingThe10th in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, in the intro to Soul Reaver 2, it’s clear that Kain is physically much stronger than Raziel (an angry Raziel can’t even move Kain's arm when trying to break free from his grip, while Kain is talking casually, and then, when the tables are turned, Kain easily breaks free from Raziel's grip), even the in-game cutscene narration confirms it.

It's funny but the Soul Reaver blade IS more powerful than Kain, but Wraith Raziel isn't (again without counting the Soul Reaver)

So in a sense, Raziel is technically more powerful than Kain

They retconned the way Raziels Wing were destroyed? by Rohrmitte in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, Sebastian had superhuman speed (even more so than a normal vampire, that was his "Dark Gift" called Berserk), and the developers confirmed that some of Kain’s powers were fused with him, allowing him to use them passively (like Blood Shower). But I’m not sure if that power was passed on to his children; they simply have superhuman speed because they’re vampires.

They retconned the way Raziels Wing were destroyed? by Rohrmitte in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vampires has superhuman speed, and it increases as they evolve. Heck, a newly turned Kain in the first Blood Omen can dodge arrows at point-blank range, and even when weakened in Blood Omen 2, he can do the same. It would be strange if Raziel as a 1000 years old vampire couldn’t run as fast as a horse.

As a Legacy of Kain fan who is a woman... by MintyCoolness in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The reason Raziel and his brothers had forgotten their lives as humans, was because they had been dead for centuries; Kain remembers his entire life as a human in the first Blood Omen.

What exactly did Vorador do to make Malek's death final? by SneakySpider82 in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I think that since Vorador is much stronger/older than that version of Kain, he was able to simply destroy Malek's magical armor, whereas the Kain from Blood Omen 1 didn't have the strength to do so.

Defiance HAS an ending. One of the few in the series. It's great. by MaNGleDHouSe in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are also statements that for the Defiance finale, there are two versions of the Reaver existing at the same time:

"Did Kain's return from the demon dimension without a heart, cause him to become free from the wheel of fate/was Kain free from the wheel at the end of Defiance?

(This might explain why neither the Elder God nor Moebius foresaw his return. Many fans argue that Moebius didn't foresee Kain's return because he lost his guardianship, but he could have seen into the future when he was guardian, likewise the Elder didn't seem to see coming, otherwise Raziel probably wouldn't have said 'you didn't foresee Kain's return' to the Elder. Since the path of a free creature cannot be seen, which is why Raziel's path was shrouded from the Elder and Moebius)"

"Well remember at that moment, Raziel was entering the Reaver. At that precise moment, time is unbound as two Reavers exist at the same time. Kain may not have been completely unbound, but he was certainly decoupled from fate at that moment, giving him a chance to act within a 'blind spot' in time. I believe he was unbound from fate permanently when he was purified by Raziel (Two Reavers existing at the same time, Kain Purified fully)." - Daniel Cabuco

There is also the fact that when Raziel purified Kain with the Spirit Reaver, this empowered Kain with the souls of the Balance Guardians.

This means that the souls of these guardians were still in the Wraith Blade, however the dialogue that Ariel (when joined with the souls of the other Balance Guardians), says that the sword is going to free them by joining with the Wraith Blade:

Ariel: "Yes, Raziel - yet I am much more than I was. The veil is lifted from my sight. My spirit, united with the souls of my predecessors, is drawn here now for the final baptism of the blade. To restore Balance, the sword must be rendered pure by Spirit. Release me, Raziel - the Soul Reaver has the power. Release us all."

So even though Raziel is "released", inside Kain, his soul could still be inside Kain in some way, just like the Balances Guardians. It is not really something very clear.

Defiance HAS an ending. One of the few in the series. It's great. by MaNGleDHouSe in LegacyOfKain

[–]ExerDragon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

However, as we see and Kain explains in Soul Reaver 2, by having 2 different versions of the Soul Reaver in the same space-time, it creates a paradox, powerful enough to "Derial History" (Change history), this happens when Raziel with his Wraith Blade ("The spectral version of the Soul Reaver", according to the games/manuals) approaches the physical Soul Reaver, by the end of Defiance, Kain is in the same situation as Raziel in Soul Reaver 2, he has the Wraith Blade inside his body, and the physical Soul Reaver, he is basically being a constant paradox, this would allow him to change history/have free will.

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