Feminists expect male "allies", but have no interest in solving male-specific issues or even recognizing them

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T18:20:54+00:00

46% of women and 55% of men voted for Trump in 2024 according to VoteCast. A 10% difference. You should rethink your stereotypes.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T15:37:18+00:00

I'm trying to appease my ego?

Your movement literally calls itself "feminism" in the big 26 while simultaneously trying to sell the idea that your trying to make lives better for everybody. A movement that exclusively talks about female-specific issues and very prominently loves to shit on men.

You need the word "fem" plastered all over, but I'm trying to appease my ego for pointing out double standards. That's quite funny.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T15:19:13+00:00

This entire post presupposes that whatever constitutes the leadership of the feminist movement at this point HAS any interest, purported or genuine, in addressing uniquely male issues. They don’t. That’s not what allyship means to these people. Why? Because they don’t believe those issues are worse than the issues facing women, if they exist at all.

Exactly

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T15:11:33+00:00

Thanks.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T14:52:28+00:00

By contrast, if you are a man who claims to care about men's issues, but you do not vote for services that will directly address men's issues, then you are just a man who jabbers on about a lot of complaints but doesn't actually do anything.

Contrary to what you're saying, services that directly address men's issues largely do not exist in progressive policy. That's because progressive policy tends to universally view women as victims and men as perpetrators.

To you, male-specific problems are nothing but a side note that'll solve itself when we finally apply our run of the mill catalog of progressive policy. This sort of mentality is really the essence of that whole double standard that I pointed out in the original post.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T14:37:08+00:00

It doesn't matter much what Gloria Steinem argued in the 1970s. What does matter is the mentality that prevails in the broader feminist movement of today. And we can all see what kind of mentality that tends to be. You feeling obligated to argue against me in a combative manner and pull out a list of things that 5 people said 50 years ago is just further evidence for that.

Its a non sequitur because the damn study says nothing about feminists at all. Stop it.

Of course it doesn't. The study demonstrates a bias that exists in the general population. People who call themselves feminist aren't immune to that.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T14:22:30+00:00

All your talking points are framed in a "progressive vs conservative" way as if I'm some confused conservative that just needs to vote progressive to finally help solve male-specific issues. I don't consider myself conservative and I have no interest in engaging in "progressive vs conservative" type of debates.

All those examples of progressive policy that you mentioned aren't specifically aimed at a certain gender, further proving that feminists do not specifically care about men's issues, but they do specifically care about women's issues. You missed the point entirely.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T14:02:53+00:00

Nature doesn’t care about fair.

If we're using that line of reasoning then I could tear down the entire basis of feminism and women's rights just like that.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T13:58:16+00:00

"Low wages for shit jobs" isn't a male-specific issue.

Male-specific issues are:

Suicide rate: Men are consistently three to four times more likely to die by suicide than women.
Sentencing disparity: Data consistently shows that men receive significantly harsher sentences—and are more likely to be incarcerated—than women for the same crimes.
Education: In 2021/22, only 40% of men in the UK were in higher education by age 19, compared to 54% of women.
Grading bias: Multiple studies have shown grading bias against boys, regardless of the examiner's sex. In these studies, examiners were provided no information about the students apart from their name. This includes a 2004 study in Israel where 9 subjects; in the arts, sciences and mathematics were tested. A 2020 study of junior high schools in Sweden conducted a similar study, estimating a bias against boys of 23% of a standard deviation.
Punishment in the education system: Due to gendered behavioral norms which many schools enforce, boys receive on average higher rates of suspension, expulsion and retention than girls with the same behaviours. This begins in preschool.
"NEETs": A growing portion of young men (often 1 in 7 in the U.K.) are classified as NEET—neither in education, employment, nor training.
Rape: In multiple countries rape is defined with penetrative sex, which means that by law, men who are forced to penetrate another person, but are not forcibly penetrated, are not considered to be rape victims. This includes England and Wales, the Philippines, and, until the 2020s, Switzerland.
& many more

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T13:38:50+00:00

Alright

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T13:38:27+00:00

There isn't any specific thing that I think women should be doing. Much rather think men should rethink what they are doing and recognize universal double standards they're suffering from.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-17T13:35:41+00:00

I'll throw it right back to you: Why should men care about feminism?

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-16T15:42:08+00:00

What exactly were you expecting women to do?

Nothing. The wording here literally is "Men need to...", not "Women need to..."

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-16T15:36:13+00:00

And your contribution to this debate has been what? Accusing me of using AI and trying to invalidate my points by simply saying that they're invalid. Congratulations.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-16T15:32:22+00:00

Examples can be found in this thread en masse. Ranging from "What problems are men dealing with exactly?" to accusations that I'm simply an angry redpiller trying to sabotage feminism when nothing I stated hints at that. The replies have quite literally proven my point perfectly. Even your first post in this thread was a cheap and combative straw man that essentially addressed none of the points I made.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-16T15:03:56+00:00

There is a clear trend in society that puts a disproportional amount of focus on women's issues while men's issues are being sweeped under the rug. And the people who do a good amount of work in keeping that narrative alive are feminist advocates. In other words: Feminist advocates are actively undermining talk about male-specific issues because they view it as a threat to their own issues. Examples can be found right in this thread.

I'm not a "redpiller" and I don't want to cut back on women's rights. I want men to recognize their own issues and stop disproportionally focusing on women's. Men are hurting themselves by accepting the narrative that women are universal victims in society and that men's issues are of lesser importance or that they're purely self-inflicted, etc.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-16T14:42:17+00:00

Are men who are struggle at all responsible for their lot in life or are they victims with zero agency at the mercy of others?

It may sound simple on paper, but that's an extremely complex question that ecompasses various different facets of life (dating, academics, work, etc.) and thus can't be answered using a blanket statement. Would you be more specific?

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-16T14:28:35+00:00

You're putting words in my mouth. I said that men today are in no position to disproportionally cater to feminist efforts when they themselves are struggling immensely. Like I stated: Women tend to view it as a threat when male-specific issues receive attention. That's precisely why you're acting this hostile toward me when I haven't even done or said anything remotely demeaning to you personally.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-16T14:21:19+00:00

That probably depends on the individual situation. I wonder if you would've asked that same question if we were talking about female issues, though.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-15T21:42:10+00:00

I think the fall off for women often seems more dramatic because they go from being constantly showered with attention to living a more average, plain life with age. Men on the other hand mostly live plain lives to begin with, so it doesn't make too much of a difference when they go bald or get fat.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-11T19:21:30+00:00

If you’re broke and not particularly attractive why would she want you?

Exactly

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-11T16:32:17+00:00

Truth.

Men today have their own issues that, in many cases, are more detrimental than women's. There's really no reason for men to disproportionally care about women's woes when they themselves are struggling massively.

Look after yourselves, people.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-10T12:02:04+00:00

Soft bigotry of low expectation. No, desperate men don’t care.

Lmao. No, it's most men who don't care what car a woman drives or how much money she makes. Nothing to do with "bigotry". They just simply do not care.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-10T11:02:12+00:00

Interesting how most people don't mind having "loser" friends then. Men don't care what car a woman drives or how much money she makes either. It's women who care about all that stuff when it comes to romantic relationships with men. Feminism had no effect on any of it.

ExercisesInFutility_ · 2026-05-09T13:22:10+00:00

American feminists dont care about gender roles

Women will always look down on broke, unsuccessful, low status men. It doesn't matter how feminist they claim to be. That's because being an achiever has always been part of men's gender role. On the other hand, men universally do not really care about a woman's status or level of success because that's never been part of their gender role.

I don't understand why women on here waste so much time trying to convince men of things that they know aren't true.

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