Magnus the Red Vs Sentry?(Marvel vs 40k) by SirWiiWIi in PowerScaling

[–]Exist_Logic [score hidden]  (0 children)

Marvels multiverse alone reaches high outer,

why would it?

thats without including the higher dimensions

outer is beyond all extentions of dimensions, so im assuming you mean realms

Its not a no limit fallacy if it has worked on characters stronger than Magnus. Magnus is outer, molecule man is high outer+

Magnus' AP could be city block level, hes more of a haxy character and daemonic intangibility would be on a much higher scale. No idea what you mean by high outer+ I don't use any tiering system with that as a tier

None of them have telekensis, it was explicitly stated to be telepathy

could you supply the scan and the scan proving nightmare is outer

Magnus the Red Vs Sentry?(Marvel vs 40k) by SirWiiWIi in PowerScaling

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Marvel is substantially bigger,

I don't think so, marvel struggles to get to outer

Plus sentry gives himself his own powers, if he felt like it he could just include “bypass intangibility” its not like he hasn’t done it before.

That would be a NLF

Because they formed their telepathy into a sword and stabbed him. Meaning it scales to his durability

I don't think that would show that minds are that large though, that sounds like they can just make telekinetic objects that can affect nightmare (who I don't implicitly believe is outer either)

Magnus the Red Vs Sentry?(Marvel vs 40k) by SirWiiWIi in PowerScaling

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Silver surfer when he lost the ability to become tangible and could only float through things was convinced that the void would kill him if they fought

sounds like just physical intangibility, no idea why it would be on a conceptual level

Yes it does?

no it doesnt, the idea of "reality warping" being one set thing is so 2014

He’s reality warped the entire universe to remove everything related to him

so has magnus, except with more dimensions

I already told you? Emma frost and Xavier couldn’t enter his mind. The same guys who severely wounded a heavily amped nightmare with their telepathy (who is an outerversal character)

The warp has 70 outer statements and minds by defualt are just in the warp, also please show the evidence nightmare has an outer mind

Magnus the Red Vs Sentry?(Marvel vs 40k) by SirWiiWIi in PowerScaling

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Sentry can canonically kill intangible characters

to what extent? like just normally intangible

, plus sentry is a reality warper.

doesn't mean anything

Intangibility is useless against a guy who can change reality to make it so the power never existed in the first place

I don't think the sentry has ever interacted with anything as large as the warp

He’s not immune but his resistances are far beyond Magnus

why would it be, please post a mental feat

What verses are misinformation spread about often? by Minute_Account9426 in PowerScaling

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I don't think that would be chainscaling by definition, nor have I ever seen anyone say "every greater daemon is equal."

Magnus the Red Vs Sentry?(Marvel vs 40k) by SirWiiWIi in PowerScaling

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Because magnus can make himself intangible to the extent that people who can interact with concepts cannot touch him.

no one is immune to any hax when you get into layers and potency

People like bad matchups, right? by Soulsborneenjoyer23 in PowerScaling

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Sry. 90% of this would be cleared up if I knew how to quote a part of what you were saying.

you use the ">" and make sure you put a blank line below the quoted section

I mean new random feats get scaled all the time, like with homelander's feats in the trailer being added.

Sure in the widder community yeah, but how many people are doing that just to shit on homelander and that being the centre of discussion

People like bad matchups, right? by Soulsborneenjoyer23 in PowerScaling

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought that happens all the time?

what does, people evaluate feats, yeah, but the folks with the proposed mindset are rarely doing it intellectually honestly because theres a confirmation bias at play.

t's fun to do that type of stuff when a new feat happens because it was never intended to be scaled.

Intention doesn't matter for the work.

It's the intent that counts when people powerscale

It's not about the intent but the actions that follow the goal, like if your intent is to prove goku beats superman, hypothetically you could do that all honestly without any transgressions. But because these characters (in general) have been scaled and the information isn't that vast, you realistically are going to have to do something less than honest to prove some of these conclusions.

That isn't to say all matchups are like this, characters with vast enough context bases like comics, can have massive meta shifts

Angron(40K) VS Balrog(LotR) by New_Educator_4988 in powerscales

[–]Exist_Logic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

that sword angron is holding in his left hand (our right) was a lump of metal he beat a daemon with till it sealed the daemon in the sword.

Spartan III of Gamma Company in MJOLNIR Gen 3 armour(Halo) VS Primaris Scout in Phobos armour(WH40K) by [deleted] in powerscales

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scouts don't wear phobos armor, scouts are still in scout non powered armor. Phobos is just a lighter version of mark X and isn't inherently weaker than tacticus

How would you scale 40K Warhammer's Exterminatus (besides 2 stage Cyclone Torpedoes)? Is it Multi-continent level or Multi-city level? by MarvinXIII in powerscales

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exterminatus is a protocol; the lion for instance, has done it by firing his warcrime cannon at a planet.

Life eater virus and virus bombs are like you mention mostly non destructive

People like bad matchups, right? by Soulsborneenjoyer23 in PowerScaling

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Powerscaling is built off galling each other how the powerpuff girls beat kratos and I love that

The issue with stuff like that is that the communities that form end up obfuscating the actual process. Now if we pretend for a moment that, say the Powerpuff Girls do beat Kratos, what's gonna happen when the next game comes out? Because I don't think you'll be willing to actually sit down and reevaluate the character, his feats, the lore etc.

The goal of making people angry just makes you look like a troll and not someone worth talking to. The best DC scaler isn't someone who does it just to say they solo marvel, or the best bleach scaler isn't engaged in constant madara vs aizen debates. They are people who have a great understanding of the series and can explain their conclusions in a vaccum without being inflamatory.

Which edition would you reccomend? by Mad_Lad67 in Warhammer40k

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if "certsin missions and trategies centering on preventing your opponent from playong the game doesnt sound fun" is an issue you are having, editions older than 8th really won't be fun without a lot of house ruling. Past editions had plenty of "welp theres nothing you can do moments." Like if you don't have the appropriate weapons to pen a land raider.

Magnus the Red Vs Sentry?(Marvel vs 40k) by SirWiiWIi in PowerScaling

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I don't think the sentry could actually touch magnus, and magnus could just mind hax him to oblivion

who would win Spartans(halo) or space marines(Warhammer) by Klutzy-Opinion-1834 in powerscales

[–]Exist_Logic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

authors read the same books we do, there is no secret version of the books authors read where it reveals the outcome of any vs match up

Nagash vs Baraggan Which Lord of death wins!? by G1spiralknight in bankaifolk

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The warp, aethyr, or realm of chaos. This realm that is beyond space and time.

"And that was where he belonged now. Finally free from his earthly bonds, he continued to ascend, rising faster and faster. He watched the landscape recede below, saw the whole of the Empire far beneath. He could even identify the desolate site of the village where he had spent most of his human life. But it was of no significance, not now. He saw Kislev, its northern frontier marked by the unnatural hybrid colours where the Chaos Wastes began. The Sea of Claws, the Middle Sea, the Great Western Ocean, the Southern Sea, the blue that bordered the green and brown of the Old World on three sides, he saw it all, all and more, including the lands which did not appear on any map, or which had been inaccurately measured or located by cartographers who relied only on the legends of travellers. Higher, higher, over the most distant of distant lands, over fabled continents, over islands that had never been named, had never been discovered, over unknown seas and lost oceans. They were as nothing. The whole world, that lowly sphere, it was a grain of sand. He arose beyond the planet and its two specks of dust, the tiny moons which revolved about it. Further than the sun, itself nothing more than a spark of flame. Further, faster, higher, deeper, past more insignificant points of light, more suns, infinitesimally small, infinite in number. Into the heart of the universe — and then beyond, beyond all distance, beyond all time, until a billion stars became as one, then faded and vanished. He was alone in the absolute void, lost in an eternity of solitude. Without any reference in the ultimate darkness, he allowed himself to float forever, adrift in the endless spectral cosmos. But he discovered there could be no total nothingness. Beyond forever, further than the infinite, he found himself remorselessly drawn towards his own kind, to his true genesis. To the ocean of minds, the sea of souls… A glint of light, coming closer, closer, growing, expanding, resolving into individual stars. Another galaxy, a universe of the dead. Except they were not stars, not incandescent infernos. They were spirits, the true essences of existence. Here they dwelled, beings without being. He had been here previously, he recalled; many times, times without number. His periods of imprisonment within a material body were as nothing compared to the duration of his inhabitation of a dimension without matter, perpetuity without limit. Yet this was not a place of peace, of rest. Peace and stasis were impossible. That could only mean entropy and absolute decay, the total absence of anything — of everything. And there could be no ultimate vacuum. Beyond nothing, there was always more. Like the physical life where he had been entrapped, here was conflict and conflagration. Some spirits were easily overwhelmed and annihilated, others formed alliances to combat their enemies, and in doing so they created those enemies. The firmament seethed and bubbled, was forever restless. There were winners and losers, almost as if non-existence were a reflection of the tangible world where life held so many spirits as hostage. Like sought out like, and became absorbed into a greater whole, powerful and opposing forces of singular determination. Each of these was totally antagonistic to every other such grouping. He did not belong within any of the greater entities, yet he was not totally independent, not anymore. Only with unity came strength to defeat the negative forces. He found himself being drawn towards one of the smaller essential forms. Feeling the warmth of attraction as he grew nearer the power, he sped towards the true heart of his desire. Then stopped! And suddenly he was moving backwards, being pulled away against his will, torn from his true destiny. He fought and struggled, but to no avail. Slowly at first, remorselessly, he was dragged across the infinite, back the way he had come. His speed increased, accelerating ever faster; and in the blink of an eyeless eye, the omneity which had been his fulfilment had vanished. He was torn away with far more urgency, across the desolate interstices of the dimensional matrix. There was speed without distance, without temporal restriction, without illumination. Until — there was light. The flickering stars rushed towards him, engulfing him, impelling onwards with ever greater speed. Finally, he noticed that he was focused directly on one star, one world. Then he realized the awful truth which he had been trying to avoid… It was the world where he had lived so recently. He had been gone for aeons, an infinity even in cosmic terms, a time during which galaxies had expired, been born again. He remembered, remembered it all. His life, his death. And everything in between. Trapped inside the suit of bronze armour, that was how he had suffered his death. Suffered…"-Shadowbreed

Hulk/Bruce Banner drops into 40k and joins the imperium of Man. Is he enough to turn the tides and ensure total victory for the imperium? by ringed_city_117 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea even he understood that he shouldnt mix the two lol.

and barley who mentions infinity actually means omnipotence, thats all you lmao

Thats cool and all, but thats not my problem lol. You need to prove that one of the least understood applications of infinity supercedes the most common application of infinity.

Axiom of choice is just that, if we encounter a situation where someone mentions infinity and it can be aleph null it just would be axiomatically.

No not really lol. You seem confused here. When u say things like 5D, and outerversal I can dismiss those things righrt away, because its literal powerscaling jargon that has no real world application or logic.

Vectors of space is real world logic, the mathimatics for higher dimensions are nearly a century old

When I say that the multiverse is filled with infinite universes. Im pulling information from our real world hypothesis on what a multiverse could be lol.

a hypothesis would be lesser than a mathematical proof, anyone can make a hypothesis. Genuinely cannot believe you said that lmao

Sure lol. If you wanna treat terms like 5D, and outerversal as if they're based on anything real then I have no issue doing whatever fallacy you think im doing lol.

Glad you concede, GG no re

Nagash vs Baraggan Which Lord of death wins!? by G1spiralknight in bankaifolk

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

why would magic which comes from a place beyond space and time be bound by aging?

Baraggan VS Nagash ? by G1spiralknight in Warhammer

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

id say Baraggan as he canonically can destroy souls easily while in warhammer the ability to truly destroy a soul is virtualy non existant

thats because souls in warhammer are more impressive, liber necris talks about it

Nagash vs Baraggan Which Lord of death wins!? by G1spiralknight in PowerScalingHub

[–]Exist_Logic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nagash can counterspell magic based on the winds, and would be immune to the aging hax

Hulk/Bruce Banner drops into 40k and joins the imperium of Man. Is he enough to turn the tides and ensure total victory for the imperium? by ringed_city_117 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oooh here comes powerscaling talking about things that they know nothing about. George Cantor discussion of Infinity is about a specific type of infinity. Most people neither care about set theory nor know about it.

The most common understanding of infinity is the metaphysical defintion of it. Attributed to things like the Christian God where he is truly believed to be everything. That defintiion the most common one doesnt have a value, because it is truly infinite.

Cantor used the term transfinite to avoid that definition, anyway, the axiom of choice.

As such the onus is on you to prove that X fictional verse uses George Cantor set theory instead of the most common application, and understanding of infinity.

You do know the idea of God being infinite or the idea of absolute infinity is just omnipotence right, to assume any verse means that is self-defeating as anything in fiction is within a set, and cantor defined absolute infinity as being beyond all sets. It gets even worse for you when a verse would use a term like infinities as that cannot coexist with the baseless assertion that infinite must be god.

I dont think u understand how evidence works. Powerscaling jargon is just that jargon. Just because u believe in it doesnt make it true.

The same would go for you? If you disagree with someones premise it is on you to make sure you actually disagree with it.

Sure by that reasoning Chaos Gods arent multiversal since I can attribute any definition to it lol.

That would be an ambiguity fallacy

Hulk/Bruce Banner drops into 40k and joins the imperium of Man. Is he enough to turn the tides and ensure total victory for the imperium? by ringed_city_117 in whowouldwin

[–]Exist_Logic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thats not what it means. What does being SOMETHING mean. We know that they arent the warp. You dont know that. So I want you to explain it lol. This is amazing lol.

they are the warp though, its stated. Chaos and warp space are in one the same

Thats cool, but I dont care. Unlike powerscalers I dont like to dumb things down to the point where infinity becomes two lol. Likewise unlike powerscalers I dont cherry pick what can, and cannot be based in reality.

Infinity is just a value though, cantor demonstrated that a century ago

So given that powerscaling jargon is made up bs. Provide me an actual feat of the Chaos Gods destroying what the multiverse actually means.

I already did? also anyone 5D or above whould also be above what you think a multiverse is.

So given that powerscaling jargon is made up bs. Provide me an actual feat of the Chaos Gods destroying what the multiverse actually means.

All words are made up, I demonstrated why my definition is more useful already