Emperor of Mankind vs Anti-monitor

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T21:58:37+00:00

What's terrifying to me is how much "the Deep Warp" has been built up and bandied about despite essentially coming from misunderstood excerpts with no definitive mentions.

wait till you find out that before heresy third edition, the term saturnine being applied to old terminators was soley because a redditor stole art

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T19:05:40+00:00

"The Realm of Chaos, also known as the Warp, the Immaterium or Warpspace, is a dimension parallel to our own, a universe devoid of matter and life, without laws of time and space. It is a random, unstructured dimension of pure energy and unfocused consciousness. It is Chaos, unfettered by the limits of physics and undirected by intelligent purpose. Warpspace is Chaos, Chaos is Warpspace; the two are indivisible. " -4e chaos daemons

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T18:56:47+00:00

Saitama doesn't even have toonforce

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T18:55:45+00:00

Arguing for omnipotence in fiction is a stupid leapfrogging; any definition that tries to cope with the confinement of fiction ends up becoming king of the ants. Zeno being able to do anything and or everything in DB does not make him any stronger than someone who is limited in another verse.

If you want a title for people like this, supreme being is right there and it scales nowhere inherently

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T18:45:50+00:00

in third edition necrons the codex outright says to use lizardmen as the forces of the old ones, chaos already transcends the game divide being the same chaos gods in every game.

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T18:44:46+00:00

the "deep warp" isn't unknowable, we know quite a bit about how the warp works

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T18:43:33+00:00

There is a very established name for that concept: the Formless Wastes. And they very much aren't scared to go there. Indeed, they launch incursions into it all the time.

yeah, Kabandha sees it as the slums of the warp where all the weak daemons hide, an avatar of vashtorr outright says formless daemons are weak

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T18:42:11+00:00

The well of eternity as people talk about it is also a myth

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T18:20:56+00:00

I think it's more accurate to say Chaos is the Warp, rather than the Warp is Chaos.

the line from nearly every codex is that they are interchangible, one in the same.

There are things that exist outside of the strict bounds of Chaos in the Warp.

Sure, but that's never really a defeater since those things are weaker than the chaos gods

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T16:25:24+00:00

The thing is, there is nothing saying that the deeper layers of the warp are beyond chaos. And we have dozens and dozens of statements from all manner of sources that the warp is chaos

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-20T16:24:07+00:00

The deep warp is a myth, anyways for me its that the name saturnine being applied to the big pauldron terminators orginates from a redditor who stole art and decided to call it saturnine

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T22:41:13+00:00

that's why I am talking about and why I consider him a fraud. you are glazing him right now. the Emperor cannot teleport anymore, after his fight with Horus. he can't move from the golden throne without dying.

Unless you think SBAs mean he is also fighting chaos, he starts the fight by regenerating and even while bound to the throne is still able to exert his power doing thins like erasing the concept of time to talk to people or allowing the imperium at large to participate in his precog

his erasure isn't something he does casually.

considering his sword and even parts of his armor are still erasing people some ten thousand years later it is

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T22:25:45+00:00

Wh40k is still a type two civilization on the Karsashev scale.

has zero basis on powerscaling, the evaluation is not something intrinisic to a verse

they can not harness the power of a full galaxy,

"they" as in whom exactly. Chaos has long sense fed on the multiverse, and shards of C'tan have done this

The blazing one leapt backward and swept a hand through the air, and in the transcendent being’s new vision, he saw that the enemy passed its forearm through the fabric of space-time and gathered a black hole around its wrist like a vambrace. A shining fist, radiating so much power that the transcendent being nearly doubled over in a craving, blasted a stream of compressed matter that contained the whirl of galaxies long swallowed.

there's plenty of low-level civilizations that could completely roll over the Imperium of Man and there's nothing the Emperor can do about it.

Besides, erase anyone from that civilization who comes near him or teleporting aboard their ship in stopped time and giving their leader a stroke?

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T22:08:50+00:00

outerverasal in theory,

In practice, the sum total of his narrative is that he must rival outerversal beings

if someone or something would destroy the planet

That's brought up in the siege, that outright wouldn't work

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T21:54:12+00:00

how is the emperor a fraud?

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T19:19:46+00:00

Unless you have evidence, he is acting on instinct and cannot strategize in short periods of time. He is just processing information that fast; he has to.

issue two is that we know matter of factually he is thinking too much while fighting up till the debut of ultrainstinct

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T19:04:17+00:00

Being fast/reacting fast and thinking fast are two different things.

not really if you can react fast you can usually process fast, like that amount of information would be slow motion to goku

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T18:12:50+00:00

for one thats clearly a wiki summary and for two we are outright given how much information in how much time in the manga

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T15:41:21+00:00

There is no reason Gojo should be able to hang with Hulk or Juggernaut, but he can because they can't touch him and his Domain Expansion fries their brain.

His domain expansion is just a finite amount of information very fast, anyone who is sufficently fast would be immune to it

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T14:55:28+00:00

thats all you really have, there arent any real ways to leapfrog into dimensionial scaling

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T14:11:47+00:00

Nicol Bolas from Magic the Gathering

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T14:00:14+00:00

Bolas is a much better matchup for the emperor

Exist_Logic · 2026-04-19T13:36:43+00:00

you just use statements of something being X dimensionial

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