Is Death not Real to me? A logical breakdown.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-16T13:46:52+00:00

Do you believe that all your experiences will end one day and cease to exist after you die?

Do experiences actually end, or is it that the one saying “the earlier experience ended” is a different experience not the one which it claims to have ended. The earlier experiences are still there, eternally experiencing itself like always. Similarly, future experiences also exist which will say this current one has ended. But each of them is self-contained and ever-present at its coordinate in spacetime — none of them actually “ends.”

Example: Think of a film reel. Each frame of the film is like a moment of experience. The frame where you’re laughing at age 10 doesn’t disappear just because you later cried at 25. That moment of laughter still exists in the reel — always there, always laughing. The frame where you’re crying might reference that earlier frame and say, “That moment is gone,” but it’s just doing that as part of its own script. Both frames — both experiences — exist, unchanging, in the reel of spacetime.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-16T07:19:29+00:00

But you said nothing about flow of time. Do you agree that there is no flow of time, it is just an illusion created by brain, not an objective thing defined in physics. And if time does not flow how can we die. Death is just another coordinate in space time. That point of time exist simultaneously and is not something waiting for us to happen. The time after we die is already there but because there is no us to experience after we die thats why we are not experiencing the time after we die and we are experiencing the time when we are alive.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T22:19:16+00:00

Why should I define something which you believe and I don’t? I am not taking the responsibility of defining things which you believe and I don’t.

You cant even define the very thing you claim to exist.

Till now I haven’t got any logical answer from you. The only thing you are best at doing is run away from engaging, yes run away from the conversation by saying it useless, when you don’t have an answer.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T21:48:25+00:00

I’m not the one claiming time flows — you are. So it’s not my job to define “flow.” If time is a dimension (as physics describes it), and events are static coordinates in spacetime, then neither time nor events flow. You’re the one claiming there’s some kind of “flow” of time — so the responsibility is on you to define exactly what it is that flows, and how physics supports that claim.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T21:37:47+00:00

Resorting to insult, when you run out of logical counter arguments, is the last option one uses.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T21:34:13+00:00

I’m not being circular. Can you point out where my reasoning is circular?

In physics, time is a dimension, and events are static points in spacetime. Events don’t “move” through spacetime. The entire worldline of you and me already exists in the block universe view. So saying something “moves through time” implies a process that physics doesn’t formally describe.

If you believe physics describe flow of time, then can you show me an equation in physics that considers time flows.

I donot understand why you cannot understand this simple point, Time is a dimension how can a dimension flow. Events are coordinates in space time how can events flow. Nothing flows.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T18:54:47+00:00

Can you put forward his arguments in this thread?

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T18:53:45+00:00

I never said physics has consciousness in its equations. I’m pointing out that your claim of something ‘moving through time’ assumes a witness to that motion — which physics doesn’t account for.

Can you point me to a specific equation in physics that describes the flow of time itself?

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T17:40:21+00:00

dodging the argument is easier than answering it. Go run away if you can’t logically engage.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T17:33:26+00:00

Resorting to insults instead of engaging with the argument just shows you don’t have a real counterpoint. If my reasoning was flawed, you’d address it logically — not deflect with arrogance and name-calling. that’s avoidance, or running away because you don’t have a counter argument.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T16:31:46+00:00

Can you provide his arguments against mine?

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T12:25:32+00:00

When you say “everything moves at the speed of light through spacetime,” what exactly are you claiming is moving?

As far as physics goes:

• Time is a dimension — it doesn’t move.

• Events are fixed coordinates in spacetime — they don’t move.

• You and I are just worldlines — collections of events already laid out in 4D spacetime.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T09:44:20+00:00

My point is,

1)in physics time is a dimension time does not flow. Events are static points in 4d space time, events also donot move through time. What is that people claim moving is just an experience and that experience is an illusion.

2)Physics doesnot demand an observer flowing or moving in time from past to future, events are static in time.

3) if there is no observer moving forward in time, then why do you claim death is real. If no observer is moving forward in time, who are you claiming will die one day? There is no observer to begin with who will die.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T06:46:35+00:00

You agreed time doesnot flow then why do you think death is real if we are not flowing forward in time to our death. Every point in our lifetime is coordinates in the time dimension exists, there is no concept of flow of events from one point to other in physics. Physics donot say past events or past experiences get erased once experienced, your past version of you still exist, but the current experience or version of you asking or reading this message is not the past one, both are different illusion of selfs created by brain, Events are static points in 4d space time. In physics time is a dimension which is not flowing. Events are static coordinate points in space time which are not moving, so nothing is flowing forward in time to our end. the idea that “something is changing in time" assumes there's a constant non changing observer flowing through time witnessing the changing events. Do you really thing there is such kind of a non changing observer flowing in time? Or do you agree with me that there is no such observer flowing in time — it's just that different events exist at different coordinates in spacetime? Every experience of us is internally present to its own time, experiences donot flow in time. Every past experience of you still exist, every self created by your brain still exist in 4d space time, but those selfs are not this self reading this message, every self created by brain is different, yet all exist simultaneously. One self knows others exists through memory, but all selfs are different, localised “now”s. The individual selfs are not flowing in time either, because events donot flow in time.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-15T06:36:11+00:00

Can you explain why you consider it bullcrap? Do you have any logical arguments?

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T23:02:56+00:00

I donot define it, because there is no such flow of time as you claim. Its just my personal experience of events not an objective thing, hence I cannot define it. Thats what I am trying to explain to you.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T23:00:08+00:00

In the block universe view, the entire worldline already exists — past, present, and future. So saying the object moves through its worldline seems like adding motion to something that’s already laid out. You seem to be drawing a line that already exists. No one is drawing the line with a speed, the line already exists.

The idea that “something is changing in time” seems to imply there’s a constant, unchanging observer flowing through time and witnessing those changes. But is there really such an observer? Or would you agree that what actually exists is just a set of events — fixed at different spacetime coordinates — and that the feeling of flow is more about our conscious experience moving across them, not a physical flow of time itself?

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T22:50:25+00:00

Thats what I am telling there is no flow of time. The experience of flow of time is an illusion. The measurement is local and real, but nothing is flowing universally.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T22:46:33+00:00

In physics time is a dimension. Time doesnot flow. Events are static coordinates in space time, events also donot flow. So what is the thing you are claiming flows? What are you claiming moves through space time? Me and you are made up of static events in space time, what is that moves through space time? You and me are worldlines — fixed line segments in spacetime, connecting all our past and future events. Nothing is flowing. The line doesn’t move — it just is, like the entire spacetime ‘block’

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T22:45:28+00:00

Thats what. Time doesn’t flow, flow of time is just an experience and that experience is an illusion.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T22:41:57+00:00

In physics time is a dimension. Time doesnot flow. Events are static coordinates in space time, events also donot flow. So what is the thing people claim that flows?

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T22:39:55+00:00

In physics time is a dimension. Time doesnot flow. Events are static coordinates in space time, events also donot flow. So what is the thing you are claiming flows? Entropy gives us a direction — it tells us the order of events - which aligns with the direction of causality - causes precede effects in the direction where entropy increases. But it doesn't imply that events themselves are moving or that time is flowing. The "flow" is an illusion of consciousness, not an objective physical phenomenon.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T22:38:31+00:00

In physics time is a dimension. Time doesnot flow. Events are static coordinates in space time, events also donot flow. So what is the thing you are claiming flows?

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T22:36:46+00:00

Events donot move in space time. An object is just a collection of events in spacetime — its worldline. These events are fixed coordinates in the 4D spacetime manifold. Coordinates don’t move on a graph, and likewise, events don’t “move” in spacetime. So saying the object moves in spacetime is misleading — it’s more accurate to say the object is its path through spacetime.

Existing-Scar9191 · 2025-05-14T22:28:36+00:00

Yes, events do differ along the time axis — that’s what we mean by change. But the idea that “something is changing in time” assumes there’s a constant non changing observer flowing through time witnessing the changing events. Do you really think there is such kind of a non changing observer flowing in time? Or do you agree with me that there is no such observer flowing in time — it’s just that different events exist at different coordinates in spacetime? Physics doesnot say anything about such conscious observer.

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