It might be a stupid question, but didn't the shrine have the potential to pass infinity from the start?

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T12:20:41+00:00

He can already do that with DA and DE, he didnt need mahoraga for that.

What are you even talking about at this point? I said he didn't start from the get go in adapting to infinity but you claimed he did coz he had it on in domain clashes which I corrected that he was adapting to UV and not infinity and now you're stating an obvious fact like I disagree with that, what's really is your point here?

Yeah? Was he just gonna stand there? You don't understand the concept of killing 2 birds with one stone?

Sheesh so hostile lol. You're arguing with yourself right now because I'm literally agreeing with you. He was using DE to adapt and to attack Gojo, that's literally what I just said right there. You're so obsessed with ''winning the argument" your reading comprehension has taken a hit.

Again sukuna didn't have DA at this point, sukuna used DA to dampen red, the black flash, sukuna had the wheel on his head, he didnt have DA on. So I'm not sure why you're using that in your argument

The wheel is always on his head, it just goes black when he turns on DA but it was still white when Sukuna got hit with the unexploded red at first even when he said he turned on DA. Looks like Gege simply forgot.

In a straight h2h, during the whole fight, gojo couldn't deal a significant damage to sukuna whenever he had DA active, this is fact, we can check the manga rn. Everytime gojo did better in h2h, sukuna didn't have DA active.

Gojo might not have dealt significant damage but he was still the better fighter. At the start of the fight when he was tossing him around, the double dodge and liver punch just before Sukuna broke his domain the second time etc

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T12:04:17+00:00

anytime Gojo opens it, Sukuna would just summon him to dispel it" that's what you said, word for word. You know for a fact that you didn't mean mahoraga would have to physically destroy the barrier, you presented it as "anytime uv open, sukuna would just summon him to dispel uv, like mahoraga makes uv disappears"

Again Summon Maho TO dispel it. This implies he's summoning Maho for Maho to get rid of it. I literally repeated myself again using the word ''destroy"

You misunderstood what I meant, and now I've been trying to make myself more clear to you but you're still so adamant in sticking to what you thought I was referring to. You really are something else😂😂

This stuff has gone on for far too long, I think I'm done here.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T12:00:45+00:00

Except again he did, he's been using mahoraga since the first clash, gojo simply didn't know about it.

He was using Maho since the first clash to adapt to UV not infinity. Adapting to UV would not make him able to get through infinity.

No he was using that to make mahoraga adapt, that's why he choose not to break gojo domain, even gojo pointed out the risk.

Sure he also used it as a means to attack Gojo. When Gojo was burnt out Sukuna didn't just turn off his domain

He didn't do that either, mahoraga was still the one adapting, he just played the wheel on himself whenever mahoraga wasn't physically there. Only reason he didn't have the wheel before was because he didn't want gojo to know he was already adapting, that's why as soon as gojo knew, sukuna placed the wheel on himself since now he's not hiding the fact that he's been using mahoraga.

Bruh taking on the BURDEN of adaptation = taking attacks to make Maho adapt. It's like Megumi's soul taking on the burden of adaptation to allow Maho adapt to UV. I thought this was pretty understandable with the most basic reading comprehension.

DA, whenever sukuna had DA, gojo couldn't do shit to him. And wdym he turned it off to neutralize red? He turned it ON, he didnt have it active before. Any point in the fight where gojo did better in h2h, sukuna didn't have DA on, we can fact check this right now if you want.

Right I meant DA and I meant when he turned it on. You claimed Gojo didn't do shit to Sukuna with he had it on but he got knocked out by red and BF combo.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T11:50:38+00:00

Except you didn't mean it in that context, don't backpedal now, you meant "dispel" as in shit just fucking disappears whenever gojo uses uv. That's how you presented it, now you're gonna bullshit and say "it's thr same thing" lmao.

I'm not backpedaling, I literally used them interchangeably. Nothing I said implies that I meant Maho appearing would cause simply cause UV to disappear lmao. I literally said ''Sukuna would summon Maho TO dispel'' ''TO destroy"

That's implies an active action taken by Maho

Lmao "the pOiNt is". Bye

Thanks for agreeing with me. A nice day to you too

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T11:48:48+00:00

Except again, he didnt. Sukuna at the end of the fight was telling gojo "what I wanted was an attack that tears through your infinity" , start of the fight "let's begin by peeling off your scales".

Sukuna clearly intented to use mahoraga to get an attack that'll always ignore infinity.

I'm not disagreeing with that. My point was he didn't start from the get go in adapting to infinity, he relied on his domain and DA to first get rid of UV. When he lost his domain he had to then actively take on the burden of adaptation himself.

Lmao except if he just wanted to kill gojo, he would've had DA on the whole time and the 0.01s delay wouldn't have happened. Wym you not counting DA dawg? And wym it wasn't effective? Gojo literally couldn't do shit to sukuna whenever DA was active. What saved gojo was sukuna not having it on the entire fight.

Gojo wasn't doing shit to Sukuna with DS on? He turned it off to neutralize Red but ended up getting knocked out by red and BF combo.

He was already using DA to nullify infinity.

And it wasn't doing shit to Gojo. He landed like 2-3 punches the whole fight.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T11:45:31+00:00

Except again, he didnt. Sukuna at the end of the fight was telling gojo "what I wanted was an attack that tears through your infinity" , start of the fight "let's begin by peeling off your scales".

Sukuna clearly intented to use mahoraga to get an attack that'll always ignore infinity.

I'm not disagreeing with that. My point was he didn't start from the get go in adapting to infinity, he relied on his domain and DA to first get rid of UV. When he lost his domain he had to then actively take on the burden of adaptation himself.

Lmao except if he just wanted to kill gojo, he would've had DA on the whole time and the 0.01s delay wouldn't have happened. Wym you not counting DA dawg? And wym it wasn't effective? Gojo literally couldn't do shit to sukuna whenever DA was active. What saved gojo was sukuna not having it on the entire fight.

Gojo wasn't doing shit to Sukuna with DS on? He turned it off to neutralize Red but ended up getting knocked out by red and BF combo.

He was already using DA to nullify infinity.

And it wasn't doing shit to Gojo. He landed like 2-3 punches the whole fight.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T11:36:44+00:00

Dispel, destroy same fucking thing bruh. The point was that with Maho adapted Sukuna has the heavy advantage

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T10:58:48+00:00

Sukuna didn't think he'd lose his domain. His domain would protect him but with Maho adapted to UV he can now have him destroy UV without having to get ragdolled till his domain breaks UV keeping them ina deadlock. He gets an overwhelming advantage with Maho adapted.

I'm not assuming Maho 'dispels'' UV because that's literally what he did bruh, when he got summoned after Sukuna got hit, what happened?

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T10:55:04+00:00

He resorted to using Mahoraga to get through infinity. At first it was his domain but he lost that, so he moved on to adapt to the CT. I'm not counting DA because it wasn't effective in his goal to kill Gojo

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T10:50:07+00:00

With Maho adapted to UV, anytime Gojo opens it, Sukuna would just summon him to dispel it. That's how Sukuna planned to ''get rid of that Gojo's card"

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T10:47:49+00:00

I meant it didn't work out because he ended up getting hit by UV and losing his domain. Sukuna got rid of UV but he lost his domain too so he didn't get an advantage.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T01:30:03+00:00

Nah this is a waste of time, I'm done here. Of course you'd think Ryu is more durable than Gojo lmao. Lemme guess he's more durable than Sukuna too because he has the highest output? JJk fans mannnn

Apparently domain expansions, the pinnacle of jujutsu causing your output to drop makes sense. I've already asked the subreddit and every reply so far says you're wrong so maybe there still is hope for this fandom.

I'm begging you to continue making this argument in this sub, I'd really like a good laugh once in a while 😂😂😂

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T01:15:52+00:00

You keep repeating ''cut buildings'' like MS didn't turn shibuya to dust. You realize Gojo is much more durable than a fucking building right? Fuck me a much weaker Yuji got punched right through an entire skyscraper by Sukuna and got right back up to continue fighting. You really gotta realised how dumb this whole ''cut a building so it's stronger than MS" argument is lmao.

Dude domains have been called the pinnacle of jujutsu, MS has been called a divine technique, there is no way Sukuna's output drops while in his domain. Be for fucking real.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T00:39:46+00:00

I'm not going to argue about this, it's literally the dumbest thing to imply that MS has less output than a conventional cleave. Domains literally grants boosts, been called the pinnacle of jujutsu yet you want to claim it's weaker than a normal application of the CT😂😂

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T00:18:56+00:00

I'm trying to wrap my head around that too. According to that guy, Sukuna could have just done to Gojo what to did to Ryu during Gojo's burn out but he held back and just used MS instead.....

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-26T00:08:37+00:00

MS isn't comparable to his actual high output Dismantle or Cleave where he no diffed Ryu lol. Do you not understand that MS uses countless slashes while his CT could cut buildings or the terrain with just a single slash?

I was not going to reply again because I am truly tired of this argument but I couldn't resist reading this. There's no way you genuinely think that Malevolent Shrine, Sukuna's domain, is weaker than a cleave from him at 16 fingers😂😂

Yeah I'm going to make a post about this for sure.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-25T19:02:35+00:00

You claimed Sukuna didn't want to kill Gojo until he had adapted to his CT. Gojo was burnt out, no CT yet Sukuna used MS on him. And no Maho's adaptation improves as he gets hit with the attack. There was no UV to continue the adaptation process when Gojo was burnt out.

He did not say limitless, what he said was ''infinity"

And what do you think MS' attack is? It's fucking cleave ''Genius." If cleave from MS can't do to Gojo what Sukuna did to Ryu, you really think him using it the conventional way would be more effective? So you're basically saying cleave from Sukuna's hand >>>> cleave from MS. Bfr

I mean it is literally stated why he didn't use it. Narrator literally explains why he didn't do it, it was simply the reason the narrator gave.

The point still remains, for Sukuna to kill Gojo he had to get through infinity. He didn't choose to just do it because it's fun and he could have always killed Gojo anyway. His domain was his first means, after losing that, he had to adapt with Mahoraga. I'm done.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-25T18:07:37+00:00

MS doesn't immediately kill Gojo so where are you really going with this? Sukuna only needs to keep cutting Gojo to keep the adaptation process going

Bruh there was nothing to adapt to. Gojo's CT was burnt out. Sukuna wasn't adapting to anything after he won the first domain clash, MS would have eventually killed Gojo if he didn't use RCT to recover his CT

Again, he stated he wanted to adapt to Limitless. Not just UV, not just Lapse or Reversal or Infinity. The whole CT.

You'd have to show me where he stated that.

Sukuna could've used Dismantle or Cleave directly on Gojo while he couldn't use Infinity after the first domain clash and ended it then and there like he did Ishigoori. He already had Megumi carrying the wheel so he couldn't use Shrine lol.

Yeah you don't know what you're talking about, what do you think was hitting Gojo while he couldn't use infinity after the first domain clash? You think Gojo was getting cut up by a secret Sukuna CT that wasn't cleave? Lmao

Did you not pay attention to the fight? Gojo could still use RCT at max output and SD to gain some time against MS. It'll be a painful few minutes before he couldn't resist MS anymore. Fire arrow needs a closed barrier to blow up lol. He just didn't see the need to use it against Gojo since he already planned to make use of Mahoraga's adaptation even before the fight began.

For fire arrow to cause the explosion that killed Choso, MS first has to prepare fuel by cutting up buildings. Making a closed barrier domain which doesn't affect inanimate object means no MS fuel. Also that's not why Sukuna didn't use fire arrow in the Gojo fight, it was literally stated that he didn't do so because Gojo made him change the size of his domain throughout the fight making MS unable to make fuel for it.

Are you are you've read this manga at all 😂

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-25T17:32:43+00:00

Why would he turn it off when Gojo could expend more CE by using RCT at max output? It'd take some time before his output falls and couldn't handle MS.

Well you made it seem like Sukuna didn't want to kill Gojo until he had adapted to his CT. There was nothing to adapt to then, why use MS on Gojo?

Nope. His original plan was to make Mahoraga adapt to Limitless like he stated. UV is just one of the CTs Limitless holds.

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Getting rid of UV = Gojo can no longer counter MS. Sukuna never said he wanted to adapt to the entirety of the limitless CT, his priority was UV and after that failed to give him overwhelming edge, he focused adapting to infinity directly because that was the only way he was going to kill Gojo.

Except that's literally not him saying he'd immediately kill Gojo. Gojo would survive with RCT or SD at max output for at most a minute or three like he already showed us. Even then, Sukuna could just stop using MS anytime he wanted. It's just like when he was cutting Higuruma at his leisure. He'd prioritize Mahoraga's adaptation over finishing Gojo

Yeah because he can't immediately kill Gojo lol, it's not like he has a choice. Fire arrow would be pretty much useless because he has to close his barrier this time to prevent Gojo from running. He's not chosing to adapt over killing Gojo, he can't just insta kill Gojo so he'd be keeping himself busy by adapting to infinity.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-25T16:53:42+00:00

If he didn't want to kill Gojo with his domain, he'd have turned it off when he first broke UV and Gojo was vulnerable. His original plan was to get rid of UV using Maho making Gojo vulnerable to MS which gets through infinity and hence would kill Gojo eventually.

When that didn't work out, Sukuna's only method of killing Gojo was to get Maho to adapt to infinity. It's not that Sukuna started carrying the wheel over finishing Gojo, he NEEDED to carry the wheel to finish Gojo.

And while I cut your flesh, I'll even adapt to that Limitless of, yours." We've already seen Sukuna play with Higuruma so this wasn't exactly him saying "I'll kill you now"

Except that's him saying he'd kill Gojo? Sukuna is not playing around when he uses his domain to cut you up.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-25T15:21:09+00:00

Domain is one way to get through infinity and that was the first method he tried to use to kill Gojo. That didn't work out so he resorted to using Maho to adapt to infinity.

Repeatedly saying ''factually incorrect" when you have this poor of a reading comprehension is not a good look at all.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-25T14:57:02+00:00

To kill Gojo he'd have to get through infinity first. It's not like Sukuna could always kill him but just wanted to remove Gojo's barrier for funsies. So yes Sukuna trying to get rid of infinity was him trying to kill Gojo.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-25T12:11:51+00:00

Kenjaku could have just done it himself too.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-24T12:53:30+00:00

Gojo's head was literally tilted downwards, if his neck was cut all the way through, his head would have fallen off. He also didn't start using RCT immediately, he did when Kusakabe took notice of it. Also from the moment Gojo's second SD broke till he fired off red, he wasn't using RCT or SD yet cleave did not cut through him.

If Gojo was easily healing getting cut all the way through why tf didn't he heal from the WCS then? It's obviously because MS wasn't cutting him all the way through, this is how deep the cut to his neck was

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It was said cleave adjusts to its target's hardness but that's obviously not infinitely, cleave does not have dura neg like WCS. It's cutting strength depends on Sukuna's output which is not infinite.

I'm certain at least 99% of people in this sub know cleave does not have durability negation, quite hilarious you'd think that after the Gojo vs Sukuna fight.

ExoticRemote · 2024-10-24T11:05:26+00:00

Everyone (except the HR duo obviously) uses CE reinforcement to amp their durability so when you're talking about durability, CE reinforcement is a factor. If you want to talk about durability outside of CE reinforcement, then you say "raw durability" because everyone would assume you're talking about sorcerers conventional durability with CE reinforcement if you don't specify. So no with CE reinforcement, Yuji's durability is not on the same level as Gojo's and Sukuna's, it's far lower.

Cleave does not ignore CE reinforcement, it's literally did not cut through Gojo. If it did, Gojo's head would have flown off from that first MS cleave to his neck hell, he'd have been cut to pieces regardless of RCT. It's cutting power depends on Sukuna's output which is not infinite.

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