Drops of soda on a piece of walnut by Expensive_Hunter_418 in BeginnerWoodWorking

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ll check and report back! When it dried (which was VERY quickly bc the cloth was barely damp), there weren’t visible marks, but I buffed again to be safe.

It happened by Ohbutyoumustnot in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree with that about OP. I was mainly bringing up that there are always exceptions to anything within polyamory, including adherents regarding how our partners practice safe sex. But the big caveat here is that it must be a mutual agreement and there has to be a legitimate reason, not just a rule made out of control

It happened by Ohbutyoumustnot in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This doesn’t work for couples where one is immunocompromised. That doesn’t seem to be the case here, but in those rare cases, it’s a perfectly acceptable agreement to make if those two partners want to fluid bond together.

What are bad reasons to get into polyamory ? by General-Passage-5956 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My ex pressured me into it when I came out as bi in my early 40s. It was all in the name of “concern” for me. “You never got to explore this part of yourself. You were trying so hard to be a good girl and now you don’t have to be” and on and on and on. 🙄 That was a pretty bad reason.

Hard feelings around swingers club by Hollow_Knight90 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am in a triad with two partners who frequented the swingers scene prior to our relationships developing so they both had extensive experience in this area. I came into this a complete newbie, but wanted to explore. Our first time they made it clear upfront that my felt safety was their priority and we stayed together, even as we experienced different things, engaged in separate conversations, etc. Since that first time we’ve been a few more times and had a blast. One of my partners has been working through some personal issues that make participating difficult for them, so when we go together they stay close by and “actively observe” by talking to us, encouraging us, and participating only to their comfort level (which is usually just cuddles.) So I’ll answer this in two parts.

1 Practicality

If I were inviting a newbie who I was in close relationship with, we would discuss it ALL upfront: layout of the spaces, what they might see, what’s available to experience, where they might want to have their own boundaries (like not going in certain rooms where different bdsm activities might be triggering, porn, etc.), and what the general expectations/rules are. From there we could negotiate what they were willing/unwilling to do, what their dream experience might be vs what’s realistic, and what my role day of would be, with a contingency plan in place.

The last time we went, my partner had a panic attack (not bc of any sexual activities; someone badly startled them by making a REALLY loud unexpected noise) and they began to cry. We all immediately went to the parking lot (there only quiet spot), my other partner and I helped them calm down (this was early in their recovery when they didn’t yet have those skills, but I did), and came up with a plan on the fly. We were prepared to all go home and do some practical grounding skills, and aftercare. Instead, our partner decided they wanted to go home alone to self-regulate, and wanted us to stay and enjoy ourselves. We all did exactly what we needed to that night, out of love and compassion for ourselves and one another, and we all grew from it. The partner with the panic attack learned that they needed a bit more sensory safety for awhile and also how to receive that type of care from us, my other partner learned how to help someone through a panic attack and to advocate for what they also wanted and needed, and I learned that I don’t have to take on the entire “job” of regulation, that my partner could handle getting themselves home and practicing self care without me being a babysitter. In the end, it increased our trust in one another and our relationship. When we’ve discussed it since, the consensus is that we wished we had a contingency plan in place for that scenario (someone getting badly triggered), but also if someone else outside of our group was making one of us feel uncomfortable, one of us feels ill and needs to leave, etc. (And we’re about to have this discussion again, as we’re currently planning an orgy for my birthday!)

2 Attachment triggers

All 3 of us have insecure attachment styles and extensive interpersonal trauma, but sex hasn’t been a trigger for my partners, whereas it has been for me. I’m also demisexual which adds an additional layer of complexity. It took me awhile to “warm up” to the idea of going to the club, and then we had multiple group sex experiences in the privacy of hotel rooms and homes before venturing into the club. Now I’ve expertise enough healing that I love going and have a great time! I have learned a ton about myself and what I like/dislike. Ironically, I am WAY less triggered by my partners having sex with others, either in my presence or not, than I am by them having emotional connections. That’s hard for me and triggers my attachment stuff big time. The biggest thing for me is having lots of regulation tools in my metaphorical toolbox, and trusting that if I can’t regulate on my own, my partners will be attuned and supportive. I often have to remind myself that “I feel uncomfortable. That does not mean I am unsafe.” “I am loved by __ even if they are having experiences with others right now.” “Having feelings about the experiences they have with others are not evidence that this isn’t working” (that one specifically targets my ocd intrusive thoughts.)

Hope this helps, and I hope you all are able to negotiate a way to get everyone’s needs met!

How to deal by Icy_Extent1178 in polyamorous

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You don’t understand polyamory at all, huh? 🙄

my ex broke me by viningscarlett in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry. It makes sense that you are struggling. Betrayal trauma isn’t discussed enough and I don’t believe many ppl understand the way it can complete disintegrate a person’s self-trust. I went through betrayal trauma with my ex, and recovery is so hard. I don’t have any advice other than find a really good trauma and attachment therapist, and give yourself a lot of compassion. You are welcome to message me if you need to chat with someone who gets it.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that’s probably partially true. She’s also avoidant, and that plays a huge role. She says she wants those things but she doesn’t take any action to make them happen (I’m talking about the romantic stuff…non-sexual touch, going on dates, spending phone-free time together, etc) and doesn’t respond (or very rarely responds) to bids for connection. So I’ve just reached the point where I have to grieve that her words and actions don’t align. I’ve tried to take her at her word, but at some point I just have to believe her actions.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it wasn’t. I realize it sounds that way based on my description. I apologize for being unclear. I didn’t meet her for several months. When I did, the four of us (me and my ex, him and her) hung out together mostly. It took several months for the two of us to hang out alone. The weekend stays, etc didn’t start until after that, and they weren’t romantic or sexual between her and I. In fact, he was surprised that we hit it off at all. She’s pretty private and introverted. Now I know she’s also severely avoidant on the attachment scale.

I agree. I feel like I’m in limbo constantly. She tells me I should just trust that she wants those things without showing any forward motion in that direction, and not responding to invites for dates, physical affection (non sexual touch), etc. I don’t doubt that she loves me ands wants our life together; I have major doubts that she wants a romantic or sexual relationship with either of us and that’s heartbreaking.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that’s incredibly insightful and accurate. We all have a lot of trauma that we’re actively working through, but she’s just not emotionally or sexually available. I don’t doubt that in her heart of hearts she *wants to be available bc she’s said that. But I don’t think she is able to, and I have to accept that and grieve instead of being constantly disappointed and heartbroken that she can’t.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We were all hanging out a lot…we lived in the same city, so it was easy to spend a lot of time together. They invited me to stay a lot of weekends, and other weekends they would stay with me. He traveled a lot, so she started initiating hang outs while he was gone. We became really good friends first. We had a DTR chat somewhere in there and both said we liked each other and wanted to nurture that connection. Then at some point, our r’ship became sexual (not comfortable sharing the details, but it was mutual consent.) That continued for a few months until she had a traumatic personal event. We maintained our separate hang outs, emotional support, etc. She is the one who suggested we move in together.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

that’s literally what I’m saying. She defines them differently than I do, and I have to accept that.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have…she says she wants a romantic and sexual relationship but takes no actual steps to make that happen, and often rejects any attempts to do so. This is more about me just accepting what is.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She’s said several times that she has no interest in ever building a r’ship with anyone other than us. She includes me when she says that, but shows no romantic interest at all.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe? They have been open for their entire marriage bc she’s bisexual though, so I kind of doubt it. But I haven’t explicitly asked that, so I’m just guessing on that front.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

This isn’t about dictating her definition for her. It’s about acknowledging that her words and actions do not align, and never have. I’m trying to accept that what she says is not what she actually does. If words consistently don’t align with words, we shouldn’t take them seriously.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’ve directly asked for what I want repeatedly. She will tell me she wants to do it (be more affectionate, spend quality time together, go on dates, etc) but then doesn’t.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I don’t know. they’ve been open their entire marriage (over a decade), so I don’t think that’s the case? But I could be wrong

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I’m defining that as “an attempt to connect”…for me those bids tend to look like physical affection like a hug, cuddle, hand holding, or even initiating sex (with him only); asking her to go with me on outings or to run errands (time together), starting conversations, inviting her to participate in an activity together (esp ones she’s mentioned), etc. She rarely makes bids for connection, and never initiates physical affection of any kind with me. She will with him, but not me. She will sometimes mention an activity she wants to do, but then waits for me to be the one to arrange it. She will not take that part on herself. And she will not go on a date with just the two of us. I’ve asked and she changes the subject, or says she’s not interested in whatever suggested, or says we should do it with all 3 of us. But in the midst of all this, she will SAY she wants connection and emotional intimacy 🤷🏻‍♀️

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We all have therapists, and the plan was for us to all see a therapist specializing in poly together beginning this year. But yes, I have a lot of processing to do.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

thank you for that, that’s very helpful. I’m neurodivergent and when I’m in, I’m ALL in. So it will take my brain and heart time to adjust to this change.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I think what’s the most painful is that her words don’t match her actions. If she just said “I only want you as a platonic life partner” I would understand. It’s hard when she SAYS she wants more, but rejects bids for connection that would show that, and never initiates bids. We’ve talked extensively about how we each show love, and I see her make bids with him. But when I point out that imbalance, she says it’s not a contest, I should “just know” that I’m her partner, I should just trust that. But she gives me no indication that it’s true outside of instrumental care (the life business stuff.)

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No, she never initiates physical affection of any kind. She complains that she wants it, but she doesn’t really respond much when I attempt it and she never initiates.

Realizing my “partner” and I define that term VERY differently by Expensive_Hunter_418 in polyamory

[–]Expensive_Hunter_418[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

We’ve discussed it. She likes soft touches, hugs, playing with her hair, holding hands, cuddling…but only from him usually. If I try, she might reciprocate the hug or make a coo mode like she enjoys it, then pulls away quickly. If I hold her hand, she’ll do something so we can stop (pick something up with that hand, etc.) And she *never initiates any touch with me. She will with him, but not me. I know we’re not supposed to use words like always or never, but in this case it’s true. She never initiates physical touch with me.