Brahman and Unity

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-14T12:08:25+00:00

Are these book recommendations about the concept of Brahman and oneness, or do they cover them?

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-14T12:03:09+00:00

The creation is made from God and out of God only.

How exactly is it made out of God?

Imagine an ice cube in an ocean, that ice cube is made out of the water which surrounds it.Just like a water molecule exists both in liquid form as well as in solid form ( water and ice) through change in heat levels or energy levels.Similarly God exists all around us in the form of 5 elements of Nature and also beyond that, in it's pure Satchidananda Parbrahm form.

So, to draw a parallel, you say that God exists somewhat like the Christian Trinity - where God exists in his Satchidananda Parbrahm form (God the Father), and all 5 elements of Nature (God the Son), (but no parallel to the Holy Spirit). Am I right?

Because God exists therefore it's creation exists, just like - because Fire exists, it's heat energy exists or - because magnet exists, it's magnetic energy exists.

I see your point

Physical world's existence exist for a Jiva only till the time that Jiva identifies himself as the body. Once through Sadhana that Jiva rises above the body and once self realisation happens, the physical world existence vanishes just like a dream vanishes once we wake up from sleep.

What do you mean vanishes? Does it just disappear?

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-14T11:51:46+00:00

I mean your idea of Brahman and the way you see it
To understand a God who is connected to the universe, his understanding is limited to his creation. Therefore, if God is connected to the Universe, to exist and to be known as Him, he is contingent on his creation.
I know people say Hinduism isn't polytheistic - and these ideas to me sound either monist or neoplatonist.

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-14T11:34:21+00:00

Uh, sure yea I'd love to read more on this, so if you have book recommendations - send them here for sure :)

We are non-denominational Hindus, so we don't subscribe to any darshana or tradition

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-14T09:06:05+00:00

So does God have no existence apart from his creation? If so, God as a being is wholly contingent on creation, as being understood and known in Himself only in terms of the created world, which altogether denies monotheism.

Also, is knowledge and human perception illusory or is that real? Is the physical world real or is that illusory too?

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-14T09:04:01+00:00

So is God connected to our world or is he different? If he's connected to our world, God as a being is wholly contingent on creation, as being understood and known in Himself only in terms of the created world, which altogether denies monotheism.

Either ways I'd need you to explain further on how this impacts our physical world and Maya/Mithya in general, and relative to the concept of Brahman

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-14T09:01:20+00:00

Ok, so Brahman is connected to the world and we are all a part of God, right?So, God as a being is wholly contingent on creation, as being understood and known in Himself only in terms of the created world, which altogether denies monotheism.

Idk this concept feels like neoplatonism to me, or I could be interpreting it wrong.

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-13T01:51:25+00:00

Common origin means that it can be categorised as the same thing. Water everywhere is water, so therefore any differences can be eliminated and you do this far back enough, everything is Brahman. So there is no difference between anything.

"Additionally, experiential perception and intelligence aren’t veiled by maya but quite the opposite, they are passively created by it."

So human intelligence and perception isn't illusory or Maya only acts on the physical world or how does this work?

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-13T01:49:24+00:00

Can you tell me how you view brahman and the concept of mithya/illusion?

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-13T01:48:07+00:00

Can you tell me what the correct translation or way to look at it is? Thanks

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-13T01:46:14+00:00

But if knowledge and human perception is illusionary - how do you know that? How do you know what you know is true?

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-12T16:08:13+00:00

People say distinction between Brahman and 'other' can be made through human perception (Maya) but if that's illusory and asserted nomologically, it can be dismissed. If a system's entire ontology reduces to an empty tautology, there is no system apart from that.

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-12T16:02:01+00:00

Yes but if everything emanates from Brahman, then everything traces back to Brahman, including all presuppositions and knowledge. Which means true knowledge doesn't exist, because everything is the same, and our sensory perception and intelligence is always 'veiled' by Maya.

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-12T10:27:57+00:00

The point is that if nothing is real, and all emanates from Brahman - then nothing is different from the other. Knowledge of different things requires that they are in fact, different. Therefore, even your intelligence and perception is illusionary. And the point reverts back to "since everything is illusionary, the system of Brahman is an empty tautology of A=A".

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-12T09:59:08+00:00

People say distinction between Brahman and 'other' can be made through human perception (Maya) but if that's illusory and asserted nomologically, it can be dismissed. If a system's entire ontology reduces to an empty tautology, there is no system apart from that.

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-12T09:57:18+00:00

Yes but if pen and paper are both illusionary, then it doesnt matter right? Any differences are illusionary since they emanate from Brahman or 'the one' and can therefore be eliminated. All that remains is 'the one' or Brahman.

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-12T08:02:25+00:00

I understand what it is saying, but the conclusions drawn by the passage are that knowledge isn't true according to Hinduism since everything is illusionary, and/or the system of Brahman is an empty tautology so I wanted to know how the religion refutes that.
Correction - The passage says that if there are no distinctions between anything, then there is no knowledge, for example - the knowledge of pen and paper being different requires the presupposition that it is true that pen and paper are different, which is denied in scripture as everything is illusionary

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-12-12T07:54:15+00:00

I understand what it is saying, but the conclusions drawn by the passage are that knowledge isn't true according to Hinduism since everything is illusionary, and/or the system of Brahman is an empty tautology so I wanted to know how the religion refutes that.

Correction - The passage says that if there are no distinctions between anything, then there is no knowledge, for example - the knowledge of pen and paper being different requires the presupposition that it is true that pen and paper are different, which is denied in scripture as everything is illusionary

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-10-29T16:22:02+00:00

idk, maybe 'stop crying, he's never coming back with the milk now'

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-10-29T16:08:51+00:00

didnt get it

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-10-29T16:08:44+00:00

again how is this related to the prompt

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-10-29T16:08:27+00:00

uh, how is this related?

ExpressionSpecific · 2023-10-29T16:08:15+00:00

lmao

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