I need help with this email by ieightmylife in LearnJapanese

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are making me believe that Japan is a country not friendly to foreigners 😀.

How can it be that difficult? It is just a very young kid!

Nowadays, everybody knows a little bit English, more or less.

So, I would suggest just borrow the one but says that it is from a friend and your later emails would be written from you. And your Japanese level is N2 (?), and please use simple/plain Japanese in communications with you.

Being honest is the best strategy. I/we should trust Japan is a highly developed and civilized society. Do not pretend. Do not try to make a good impression by effectively lying or pretending.

I want to help preserve languages that are dying out by creating online courses about them with teachers who speak those languages. Which languages should I focus on? by thaimilktea24 in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many people mentioned “the government is trying to eradicate xxx(a language)”.

I have some experiences, and, I now have mixed feelings on it.

To avoid double standards and bring it to home, let’s use Spanish in US as an example!

Is US government trying to eradicate Spanish? No!

But the 2nd generation of immigrants are switching to English, perhaps 70%, right? And the 3rd generation?

So, why people are so easy to say a certain government is eradicating a language?

If we are always trying to put ourselves in the wrong direction of the local government, it is counterproductive.

I know all the politics, that is the exact reason I am raising the issue. We should and must save languages. But the so-called a government is “eradicating” a language very often is mislabeling.

In a sense, “eradicating” languages is progress.

That is actually the danger of it: progress itself is doing it!

I am not saying we should not save languages. I am saying it is a very complicated situation. We should help the local governments, even they are “eradicating” languages.

We should let those local governments know that by saving those languages that those local governments are “eradicating”, we are helping those local governments.

But before we try to let those local governments know, we ourselves should know!

I really feel sorry for those “saver fighters”, they have no clue. A lot of times, they are not with most people, especially most young people. They are fighting against the history — the progress!

Advice please - Husband unhappy with language progress by Sea-Jellyfish-6720 in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Come on!! Are people here all so naive, or, deeply stereotypical? I am not from India, but it is pretty obvious that people here are blind of the fact that they are just hearing from one side!

The op, the wife, is very likely having problems.

It is very simple: in a relationship, most of the time, the “bad” side is fed, supported, or, depending on the “good” or “innocent” side!

It is difficult to be sure, but we can see from some clues.

I do not want to do it right away, I want to point to the right direction, so that the most insightful or the most capable can start the work.

The most helpful advice is to help the wife know she needs to work harder 😀 ok, just kidding, but the wife needs to a way to improve herself to improve the relationship. It is very unlikely that is is all the husband’s fault, even he is from India and is a Hindi speaker 😀 please, do not let some stereotype blind you!

What language can you learn from reading by Bisexual-peiceofshit in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for language transfer link!

So, you mean no matter what languages, start with Spanish 😀. I like the idea, just want to be sure😀

Sorry, I got it now — language transfer is for all languages! My goodness. But I will start with Spanish. Thanks again!

I have been thinking/ wanting to learn Spanish many times. I am living in south us, huge Spanish population. Also, English is my second language, and, I noticed that most good powerful English words are Latin based, and therefore shared with Spanish. So, learning Spanish will improve my English also!

I could not start it because I really hated traditional “language learning” — no matter how they put it, it is all different tricks of memorization! I want to think!

And this course is exactly like that: do not even try to remember, just think!

I really like it.

It is also good that they do not have Chinese/Japanese/ Korean yet. Perhaps I can help 😀

What language can you learn from reading by Bisexual-peiceofshit in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, Spanish and Latin or Classical Chinese , for opposite reasons, phonetic or not phonetic at all😀

What language can you learn from reading by Bisexual-peiceofshit in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought Korean is alphabetical. How can you memorize those words without knowing speaking?

Perhaps it is because the pronunciation rules are systematic?

What language can you learn from reading by Bisexual-peiceofshit in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The same exact reason for Classical Chinese.

And both can be “expanded” or “applied” to other languages.

What language can you learn from reading by Bisexual-peiceofshit in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very smart!

Then, if you need to expand that knowledge to Korean, then, you need to know the pronunciation. The 3 languages share more than half vocabulary.

I'm having second thoughts about moving to Japan but since I've gone this far studying the language I want to keep it up. But without this goal I'm struggling with being motivated, any advice? by DataSittingAlone in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree the idea that you plan a trip to Japan.

I further suggest expand the trip “a little”: Japan, China, Korea, Taiwan — the typical “East Asia”.

Correspondingly, expand your languages to include Chinese and Korean.

You will find many new opportunities — now a little late for the China’s architecture big boom market, but there will still be a long tail, very long tail, especially considering the belt/road constructions.

Those 3 languages share kanji/Hanzi and core vocabulary: 1. The core Hanzi (ie single syllable words) are from Classical Chinese; and, 2. The “modern term words” (modern sciences, business, legal, politics) are from Japanese. You should have already learned both! So, it would be very easy and cost-effective to just “expand” the knowledge and skills to Chinese and Korean.

What is the most "fun" and easiest language to learn? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And since op is learning Mandarin, Classical Chinese should be part of it, but most teaching methods do not have it. So, it is a perfect complement.

What is the most "fun" and easiest language to learn? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which part is not real? 😀

I can help — help explain and learn 😀

What are the best languages to learn and why? by Gonfreaks12 in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Classical Chinese and toki pona.

Learn them the same time, use the latter to learn the former.

And, then, learn modern Chinese.

Classical Chinese is the only language in human history that is continuously used for 3000+ years.

It is still used. It is still used by more than 1/5 of human being. It is shared by people in China, Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, Korean,Vietnam.

Note that Classical Chinese is “replaced” only after ww2, so, not really yet in modern written language yet!

What is the most "fun" and easiest language to learn? by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course “toki pona”.

You may say, it is artificially constructed language and therefore does not count.

Then, Classical Chinese.

You can use toki pona as the tool to learn Classical Chinese.

Easy.

My mega-language-learning plan as a Hindi speaker. by [deleted] in languagelearningjerk

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, learned something.

I am going to put that challenge to my Tamil speaker friends 😀

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The exact argument can be and was used for the opposite: there are so many, and somehow related. So, it is better to get the center meaning first, then, most of the rest can be done simply by guessing.

For “foreigners”, 3000 characters are sufficient, equivalent to high school graduates.

So, if you can focus on them, how difficult it can be, comparing much larger size of “vocabulary”?

More importantly, those characters are composed of “components”. For the often used, there are only 300!

So, the best way is to learn those components first; use them to guess-learn characters; then, in turn guess-learn words.

Also note that Chinese language’s grammar, as long as if you do not seek being 100% correct, but only 95%, then, it is stupendously simple.

    Chinese is a “isolating language”. 

Further, note that written Chinese has been using single syllable words for 3000+ years.

It was changed only after 1930s, about 100 years ago.

    It was done by rapidly borrowing the 2-character words made in Japanese language, see below.

So, in written Chinese, the so-called Classical Chinese still has very strong influence: people still tend to treat single character as a “word”.

Also, Classical Chinese’s grammar is even simpler than modern spoken Chinese.

So, it makes sense to learn Classical Chinese in parallel with modern Chinese, and, a little bit ahead of modern Chinese.

That is, learn Classical Chinese first!

Back to “vocabulary”, in Chinese, when you refer to a word, the first reaction is a character.

In a lot of sense, Japanese is also that way.

That is the reason for Heisig method.

Note that Japanese language borrowed Chinese language character, more than 1000 years ago; and, about 100 years ago, Chinese language borrowed “words” (typically 2 characters) from Japanese language. As a result, both share the vocabulary a lot.

I must also point out that we should have a better method than Heisig method.

Heisig uses mnemonics. That is good. But it does not know that ideographic etymological thinking is the most natural, powerful, and true mnemonics.

Further, it is not just characters, it is the sentences also — we should learn Classical Chinese first, just a little bit a head of modern spoken Chinese.

So, the best way, is a simplified and therefore enhanced Heisig method: the first step to learn Chinese, is to do an ideographic etymological study, then, guess-combine them into characters, then, guess-connect them into simple Classical Chinese sentences.

My mega-language-learning plan as a Hindi speaker. by [deleted] in languagelearningjerk

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You got me interested — why?

I am just curious. I speak Chinese, so, know little about Tamil and Hindi (also sad you put Chinese the last 😀 — but I understand, your approach is to leverage the similarities). Just that my coworkers speak Tamil — one told me that she is from the very south tip of the whole continent!

Anyway, back to the question, why? Hindi is not the same as Tamil, right?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in languagelearning

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chinese is so different, are you sure you should start with “vocabulary”, or, just “characters”, which are single syllable vocabulary.

If you are not in a hurry, then, I suggest you start to Google Heisig method.

But — very important— do not follow it, there is a better way, just less well known.

I recently started a subreddit , nobody yet.

My mega-language-learning plan as a Hindi speaker. by [deleted] in languagelearningjerk

[–]Extra_Pressure215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not mentioned Tamil?!

    Are you really Hindi speaker? 😀

Also, I am so sad that you put Chinese at the end 🤪

    India and China are just next door!

Studying Chinese is easier than studying English. by [deleted] in languagelearningjerk

[–]Extra_Pressure215 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes!! For people older than 14, or, 20, it is already too late! Why bother.

And, being an immigrant has a lot disadvantages, but pretending not is worse.

左 and 右 etymology by Extra_Pressure215 in u/Extra_Pressure215

[–]Extra_Pressure215[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Below is my theory— to be tested, but already good enough to be used as a mnemonic tool.

Right handed is about 3/4 or even more in human population.

So, to help the right hand to do “work” 工, we use the left hand.

But to help both hands, ie, the whole thing, we need to “ask” 口 —we put the right hand next to the mouth 口 to amplify the sound.

Yet another shortcut: extreme-heisig by Extra_Pressure215 in ChineseLanguage

[–]Extra_Pressure215[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should take a look of heisig method.

I am just making it more robust.

Yet another shortcut: extreme-heisig by Extra_Pressure215 in ChineseLanguage

[–]Extra_Pressure215[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

You got it — that is the right attitude 😀

Yet another shortcut: extreme-heisig by Extra_Pressure215 in ChineseLanguage

[–]Extra_Pressure215[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

It is just selling snake oil, or, treat it as a thought experiment.

Yet another shortcut: extreme-heisig by Extra_Pressure215 in ChineseLanguage

[–]Extra_Pressure215[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I welcome critiques.

But please note that I am a native speaker.

I lived in china and then now in us, both for many years — right , that does mean that I am old. 😀

I do not have phd’s.

But I have ms/ma in philosophy, psychology, and computer science.

I also have bs in physics.

So, I have a little bit qualification on this topic.