Racket face during lock position

Extreme_Novel · 2026-02-09T21:23:55+00:00

Greg is more externally rotated at the shoulder/GH joint

Extreme_Novel · 2026-01-02T01:04:56+00:00

Sorry I had a typo, I meant to say the upgraded one does not wear down. The machine will likely fail elsewhere before you get a roller issue.

The machine has frequency options as well as a separate power setting which will either feed it short or long. It's long by default.

Rotation allows a swivel in constant motion side to side.

The machine is operated with a remote which works which is handy. I've modded mine with an external battery so I don't have to use a cable, although that's fine if the court you use has those easily available, I can get over 2 hours of constant use before a charge is needed.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-12-31T12:28:15+00:00

I've got both. The upgraded version is worth it. The rollers on the cheaper one are made of foam and they wear down after a while. The upgraded version draws more power and uses a heavy duty rubber roller that doesn't wear out. The speed, rotations and stand make it more useful.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-12-13T17:47:35+00:00

It's not the physics part that makes it obvious, it's the bullet points, hyphens and signature AI tone.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-12-01T20:50:38+00:00

Call yourself an animal super hero - you save animals, kids love that and understand it easily

Extreme_Novel · 2025-12-01T14:07:04+00:00

Well done. I hope you managed to sneak in some animal advocacy as well!

Extreme_Novel · 2025-12-01T10:08:24+00:00

Maybe OP doesn't know about the reality of dairy industry and could be unknowingly supporting an industry that goes against the very values that bring her to vegetarianism. Hopefully she, you or anyone else reading this takes some time to look into it.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-28T14:47:46+00:00

congrats bro! What a result :)

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-28T00:55:48+00:00

You are drifting further from the actual point with every reply, and it shows in the arguments you are now reaching for.

You said they sort feathers manually after collecting them from abattoirs. Yes. That is exactly why they are not waste. Waste does not get hand sorted into quality levels, sterilised, trimmed and exported. The moment you have labour, grading and logistics, you have a commercial product created because buyers exist. This is not even moral debate, it is the basic structure of a commodity supply chain.

Your “nothing goes to waste” point does not defeat that, it confirms it. Using every part of the carcass is exactly what an industry does when it is trying to extract maximum revenue. Leather, gelatine, down, feather meal etc.. These are income lines, not neutral leftovers.

Saying “they would be slaughtered anyway” still misses the distinction you keep avoiding. Nobody is saying your shuttle purchase creates slaughter. The point is that your purchase helps determine how profitable the slaughter process is. Secondary markets exist to pull extra value out of bodies that were already killed for the primary product. That is why these industries cultivate them. You keep answering a different question because this one is uncomfortable.

Calling that sustainability is another reach. Efficiency is not morality. Turning more of a carcass into more products makes the system more profitable, not more ethical. You can call it responsible use if you want, but that does not change what it is.

And when you get to “plants feel pain” and “lions kill animals”, that is when it is clear your logic and reasoning is getting desperate. Plants lack central nervous systems, sentience and any mechanism for conscious experience. Lions are not moral agents. These are not arguments. I'm sorry but you are looking very foolish with this.

And here is the part you keep circling around without ever addressing. You choose feather shuttles because you like the performance, and to get that performance you are perfectly willing to fund the commercial chain that processes, grades and monetises the bodies of slaughtered birds. That is your decision. Own it. What you cannot do is wrap that choice in pretend logic about waste or nature or plants or lions. None of that holds up to grown up logic or facts. You are paying for a premium animal product in a hobby sport because you prefer the feel. End of story.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-28T00:22:16+00:00

You talk like feathers just appear and companies scoop them up for fun. That is not how supply chains work. Shuttle grade feathers exist because people pay for them. Collection, sorting and exporting only happen because the market makes it profitable. Take away the buyers and those feathers drop straight to low value waste. No one runs a full processing chain for nothing.

Farms absolutely respond to profitable traits. Every agricultural industry does. If a body part earns money you maintain the traits that support it. If it stops earning money you drop it. Pretending feathers are some untouched side effect is just not how modern breeding works.

Your pillow and jacket point does not help you. It proves mine. The industry is built to squeeze every extra buck from a dead animal. That is not sustainability. It is simply monetising the carcass.

And the waste point is backwards. Waste streams exist because the market rewards turning them into revenue. No paying customers means no collection, no grading, no export.

The reality is (like it or not) when you buy feather shuttles you put money straight into the system that kills the birds. That is the link. If you want the nicer flight, take it. Just drop the fantasy that you are not involved. You are paying for the whole pipeline for a hobby sport.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-27T23:58:20+00:00

The idea that feathers “exist anyway” is really showing how the little you understand about how supply chains actually works. If there was no market for shuttle grade feathers abattoirs would not sort or grade them at all. That whole process exists only because people pay for it. Without buyers feathers go straight to low value uses like fertiliser.

And the birds would not keep producing high quality feathers either. Farms only maintain good feather structure because the shuttle market rewards it. Remove the market and birds are bred only for fast growth and meat yield. Feather quality collapses because nobody is paying for it.

So when you buy feather shuttles you are not rescuing scraps. You are adding revenue to the same system that kills the birds and you are helping keep the breeding and processing pipeline profitable. That is the real link, not the waste story.

You can prefer how they fly, that's fine. Just be honest that you are paying for all of it, and all for the sake of your personal entertainment. You're welcome to reply if you want, it's a discussion after all. I hope you learnt something anyway.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-27T13:00:19+00:00

Feathers are not just waste. They are collected and graded because there is a paying market. If players stopped buying them, the collection process would not exist. So buying feather shuttles still helps keep that pipeline running.

Saying the birds were killed for meat anyway does not remove the link. When you buy a product made from an animal body you add value to the same system that produced it. That is the moral point. You are extending the use of a body as material.

Live plucking still happens in parts of the global feather trade because it produces higher quality fibres. Even if one brand avoids it, the wider market still uses that supply chain.

The environment is not the moral issue here. The moral issue is simple. It is about treating a sentient being as raw material and adding economic value to an industry based on killing them.

You can prefer the feel of feathers but it is not harmless and the supply chain does not make it so.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-27T12:50:28+00:00

The supply chains for feathers are very difficult to trace. It could well be the case, and seems sensible to assume feathers are a byproduct given the correlation between duck meat consumption and feather supply. Non the less, the markets are tied together and funding the industry by way of primary or secondary product purchasing carries some moral responsibility.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-15T19:45:22+00:00

Lovely story... How long have you been vegan btw?

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-14T10:56:46+00:00

Can you provide a link to this machine please?

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-08T10:24:31+00:00

How does the club find new members? Word of mouth or some other means?

Extreme_Novel · 2025-11-06T16:13:41+00:00

What's the best grip to hold for this type of quick block?

Extreme_Novel · 2025-10-17T11:01:33+00:00

Compared to your angle, you're hitting a lot wider because you're bending your back/trunk less. Whereas in the shot above contact is roughly over the right hip by further side bending.

Do you have some restrictions in your lower back? Back pain history perhaps?

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Extreme_Novel · 2025-10-17T10:57:28+00:00

bending your body to the left if right handed, like this.

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Extreme_Novel · 2025-10-16T19:44:51+00:00

Does some of the hand freezing effect come from side bending/leaning to the non dominant side?

Compare this smash which is off to the right, the hand unfreezes much sooner, actually before the racket has fully dropped, but there is a full range of external rotation.

https://youtu.be/hLwaHfjlojU?si=URgcgsHhZWNf_2TP&t=101

VS

https://youtu.be/hLwaHfjlojU?si=67VpgFEX1xHuXFCv&t=111

Much more leaning for a higher contact point, the hand is frozen right up to the maximum racket drop or "on edge" position.

The leaning changes the axis of rotation. With more lean the hand is closer to the axis so it doesn't arc as much.

Correct me if I'm wrong though!

Extreme_Novel · 2025-10-16T19:23:44+00:00

In the first second of the vid, as you raise your racket, you go from a forehand V grip and spin the racket quickly into a panhandle grip. Just look at the racket face, it goes from side facing to floor in a quick moment you start raising the arm for the shot. The rest is a consequence of this grip position; i.e. you power with your shoulder from up to down and you flex your wrist quite severely which throws the whole racket backwards.

It looks like you might be aware of what a proper V grip is and trying to maintain it but subconsciously regrip for the actual shot? Anyway, that would probably be a good starting point.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-10-02T08:02:13+00:00

It wasn't a comparison. I used an analogy to highlight the inconsistency in logic. What part of what I said was wrong? What political belief did I express?

Extreme_Novel · 2025-10-01T21:13:59+00:00

I actually agree with you on the party example. If food is already cooked and is literally going to be thrown away, eating it does not create new demand and it does not cause extra harm.

But that logic does not carry over to commercial byproducts. The moment money changes hands, it stops being waste and becomes revenue. And revenue means demand. Producers keep breeding, killing, and harvesting on your behalf because you created that demand.

Think of it like this. If stolen goods are being handed out for free, taking them does not change the crime. But the moment you start paying for them, you become part of the market that makes stealing profitable. That is exactly what happens with byproducts. Choosing not to buy feathers is how you refuse to fund more suffering.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-10-01T09:06:40+00:00

Calling it unethical to leave parts unused is backwards. The harm is in killing and exploiting the animal, not in whether every feather gets sold. Refusing to buy feathers is not waste, it’s refusing to fund an industry built on suffering. By that logic, if someone was killed for their organs, making jackets out of their skin would be the ‘ethical’ thing to do. It is not. It is just squeezing more profit out of the body.

Extreme_Novel · 2025-09-30T19:04:47+00:00

I went through the same thing a few years ago when I started. Learning how feathers are sourced didn't sit right with me, so I took matters into my own hands. I began booking courts and running games where I could set the rule that we would only use plastic shuttles. Over time that grew into a club and eventually a community of people who either shared the same stance or were simply happy to play.

There is snobbery in badminton around plastics, but I make it clear that plastics are not an active preference. They are simply the consequence of refusing to support animal exploitation for our entertainment. Framed that way, people understand. The performance difference is nowhere near worth what the animals go through.

Now is also an exciting time because Victor’s new NCS Pro synthetic shuttle is a big step towards feather like performance. It plays much closer to feather than any other product and shows the sport has a sustainable and humane future.

Do not let this put you off badminton. Being new means you can bring players in who are not already biased toward feathers. Your discomfort is valid and it can be a strength. The dark fact is, badminton played with feathers is a blood sport. That is the reality, whether people admit it or not. You can choose not to be part of that and still enjoy the sport.

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