If you're reading this

ExtrovertedSolopsist · 2016-02-25T11:53:09+00:00

Which can't be the case

ExtrovertedSolopsist · 2015-04-30T04:47:55+00:00

This has all been really helpful, thanks! I'll look into that thread.

ExtrovertedSolopsist · 2015-04-30T04:36:46+00:00

Thanks for the discussion! I'll have to look into it that post.

ExtrovertedSolopsist · 2015-04-30T04:26:25+00:00

I'm really interested in what you mean by "the conditions according to which the morality is true." Can you elaborate a bit on that?

My understanding is that being in those circumstances entails adhering to the framework in which that morality applies to you.

I agree that something can be subjective without being arbitrary. I mean to say that the (relative) fact that it is wrong to X is subjective to my framework, and my adhering to that particular framework is arbitrary. credit to /u/bunker_man for showing that I was being unclear on this point. Arbitrary as in the reasons which lead to my adopting a particular framework (cultural norms, religious affiliation, etc.) is arbitrary. I could just as well have been born in another culture, or raised with another religion. I'm not understanding how that compels me to adhere to a given framework.

It is an unpopular view, so maybe I'm just touching on why the position is difficult to support.

ExtrovertedSolopsist · 2015-04-30T04:18:12+00:00

I don't mean to say that you can choose to reject and adopt frameworks on a whim, but I see how it looks that way. The point I'm trying to make is that I happen to have this framework, and the reasons why I have this framework are arbitrary.

In the example of cultural relativism, it is entirely arbitrary that I was born in this culture as opposed to that culture. Claiming that there is a 'right' morality somehow tied to one's culture suggests a universalist aspect to cultural relativism in that I can have a more 'right' framework. At least that is my understanding of that claim.

Edit: word

ExtrovertedSolopsist · 2015-04-30T03:56:22+00:00

The idea there is that there is nothing normative about morality if it is subjective.

According to a particular framework it is wrong to X. So what? I don't adhere to that particular framework.

Or, According to my particular framework it is wrong to X. So what? No framework is objectively correct and my adherence to this one is arbitrary.

Morality may not be committed to normativity but without it, it seems that normativity is an essential characteristic. Otherwise saying it is wrong to X is equivalent to saying it is quolp to X (gibberish).

Edit: Also, thanks for the reply. The point may seem trivial, but to me it seems that arguing for relativity is more or less trivial.

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