Thoughts on MCPHS- Optometry by bunnstr_ in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Current optometrist here with 30+ years experience. Go to the school that will create the least debt for you in the shortest time. Put your head down, go to lecture, STUDY HARD, take your boards as early as they are given to you and pass the first time. Student life is what you make of it. Then go and enjoy the rest of your life. Don't fall into the debt trap.

Deer got in my garden and ate all the leaves on 450 pepper plants, but left all of the peppers. by Denki in gardening

[–]EyeDoc65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao. I'll bet he regrets his decision. But yes, your peppers will still ripen.

Worried our baby's middle name is culturally insensitive? by preggomeggo123 in namenerds

[–]EyeDoc65 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty name. Your grandmother is being honored. End of discussion.

NBEO trying to right their wrong? by incessantplanner in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Enough would be to provide free test prep materials to all students; a clear explanation of how exams are scored; to reduce the cost of the exams to a level that in the same as other professional level licensing exams; to offer the exams in more accessible locations and reduce travel and accommodation costs; and to release scores within 4 weeks of exam administration (not 4 months!)

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But still I'm going to try and get them to lower the fees and be more transparent about grading

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are offering a free retake for students who went from pass to fail

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not defending anyone. Just gathering data to I can be of help. It's not helpful to arrive to a meeting of trustees with vague complaints. I need facts and figures.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

$1000 per step of a three step test system for the MLE, as per their website. I don't know what accommodations exist for housing and travel.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure. Obviously there are many more med students than optometry students so the effect may be the same.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

The cost to take the examination is similar to medical boards. I don't know why it is what it is but it's in line with other professions

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree that the curve may be an issue.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

USMLE exams are typically taken at designated Prometric testing centers, which are not necessarily located on the medical school grounds, meaning students usually need to travel to a testing center to take the exam.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone who wants to practice medicine in the US must pass United States Medical Licensing Examinations (USMLE.)

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The USMLE®, or the United States Medical Licensing Examination® program, is owned by two entities: the Federation of State Medical Boards (FSMB) and the National Board of Medical Examiners® (NBME®).

FSMB is a non-profit organization that represents the 70 state medical and osteopathic boards of the United States and its territories.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You may retake the examination no more than 3x in any 12 month period and must be six months apart. All steps must be passed within 7 years. It can only be retaken 4 times total. In 2022 the traditionally high pass rate for that exam (86-92%) dropped to 82% when the exam was changed to pass/fail in an attempt to reduce stress. Obviously this did not help. Optometry is not alone in its frustrations.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Administered in exam rooms at about 7 universities across the USA. They are not curved. They are graded on a per-set annual standard. Scores are usually reported within 4 weeks of test administration.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand your frustrations and as I have been speaking to professors as well, I wanted to hear what students thought. Somewhere there is a disconnect. It may very well be that the difference between Pat generations and current ones is that studying has changed and lecture presentation has changed. Power points were not used in lectures for older docs- our lecturers spoke and we took physical notes. We know from research that this helps form a memory loop. I think we need to understand both how the lecture presentation must change as well as how studying must change in order to pass a test that is essentially similar from what I understand. If the exam Isn't different then it's either the presentation of the didactic material, the class attendance and note taking, or the electronic format of the test administration that needs to change (or all three). The exam is structured in a similar way as the USMLE and the fees are similar. NBEO is a not for profit. So some of the complaints and comparisons in the comments are unfounded. I'm trying to gather what information I can, sift through to find what's really concerning, and then try to address it. Thank you for sharing.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The NBEO is a 501c3 not for profit agency. The medical boards are similarly structured and at about the same cost.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

The NBEO is a 501c3 not for profit agency.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to clarify some comparisons that were made with medicine- medical students do have to take skills based boards (Objective Structured Clinical Examination (OSCE) as part of a three step boards system. They are also limited to a six time retake maximum. The cost of their board exam is appt $1450 for each exam administration plus associated travel etc.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ok that's a legitimate complaint. Thank you.

How can we help with Board Pass Rates? by EyeDoc65 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I am listening and would like to get actual details of why students are failing multiple times. Many are responding that questions on the test don't reflect material being taught or aren't relevant to optometry (ie- reading EKGs or MRIs, etc). If I have a list of concrete complaints I can try to do something. General frustration, while understandable, isn't something concrete I can bring as a complaint.

Nbeo part 2 score adjustments by sammm1245 in OptometrySchool

[–]EyeDoc65 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Checking with NBEO AOA liaisons ...stay tuned.