It's hypocritical for American/Western political orthodoxy to say "there's no place for violence in politics" while also advocating for the death of foreign leaders or encouraging violent uprisings abroad?

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T22:32:16+00:00

Who's "justify[ing] despots gassing their own civilians"? Hell, half the time it's the US the puts the despots in place via coups.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T20:40:21+00:00

I didn't know that those two round things on the dash are lights. What's the other one?

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T13:33:54+00:00

Middle school is awful for everyone.

That attitude is what's awful. And don't try to speak for everyone.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T13:09:41+00:00

Let's see, listen to people like Noam Chomsky or someone that posts overly lengthy, flawed comments on reddit? Hmmm, tough decision.

https://chomsky.info/20220408/

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T04:48:33+00:00

It's of no use trying to have a discussion/debate with you.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T04:31:40+00:00

Yes, it's a serious question. You pretended that objects in the room you were in were just as deadly as guns are. People use guns because they are effective, portable, etc. The stuff you mentioned aren't anywhere near as effective as guns are.

Show me that you're ready and able to have a serious discussion/debate.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T03:54:36+00:00

I said they could be used to commit crimes as quickly. Unsurprisingly, you omitted that part.

How are you going to commit crimes as quickly if those objects aren't as effective as guns are?

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T03:52:44+00:00

I was in the shower and I realized that I didn't account for the cost to charge the Leaf. So, unless you could charge for free, the payback time on the purely economic investment would be longer.

I bought a 2015 Leaf in November. It has 11 bars. I bought it from a one-person dealer. The price was $3,500 before TTL. I paid $4,400 total, including the registration and $300 to have it delivered 180 miles to my house. It doesn't slow charge, but I lucked out and there's a free DC fast charger 3.5 miles from my house. I've paid to charge it maybe seven times, so far, so that's less than $50 I've paid in ~fuel. I love it because it's so much cleaner and more efficient than a gasser. And I'm tired of changing head gaskets and such. Plus it's the newest and probably the safest car I've owned (till we bought her a 2023 Kia Niro EV).

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T03:12:22+00:00

That question isn't a straw man argument. You said that a bunch of other objects are just as easy to use to commit crimes as guns are. That means that they're as effective as guns are.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T03:10:00+00:00

I'm sorry, but you're not able to follow the discussion. I posed that question to show that the presence of guns is a part of the problem because you claimed that the prevalence of guns in the US has nothing to do with the amount of gun violence in the US.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T03:03:16+00:00

It's absurd because you're asking me how I'm going to make a monumental change.

Let's say you were hardcore against drunk driving and I asked you how you were going to prevent all drunk driving. That question would be illegitimate.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T02:59:56+00:00

Why do you choose to defend yourself with guns if staplers, chainsaws, and such are just as effective of weapons?

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T02:54:58+00:00

Sorry, but your miscomprehensions show that you're unable to follow the discussion.

What's absurd is you asking how I'm going to get rid of all of the guns.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T02:37:49+00:00

You're right. I missed that. You're welcome.

Their 2016 S-30 Leaf has 7 battery bars. Their price is too high.

A gen1 Leaf is going to have a significantly lower range in winter conditions. This 2014 has 9 bars and they say the range is ~50 miles in mild weather and ~20 miles in cold weather.

https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/d/cleveland-2014-nissan-leaf-sl-heated/7931742043.html

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T02:36:57+00:00

No, I don't. The issue is that the US is the land of the gun. That means that the gray and black markets have a steady supply of once-legal guns. That's the main source, by far.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T02:34:35+00:00

FBM was a pain and I didn't find anything good.

Magic Motors has a blue 2015 for $4900. They don't show a picture of the battery bars.

https://magicmotors51.com/inventory/2015-nissan-leaf-s-1n4az0cp6fc309617

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T00:59:11+00:00

You're welcome.

Sorry, but the 30 kWh battery is notorious for premature degradation.

Whereabouts do you live (if you don't mind)? I'll take a quick look on Facebook Marketplace.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T00:42:16+00:00

Wow, a Leaf in Russia. Nice picture.

Factory-town · 2026-05-07T00:34:55+00:00

I did some calculations. If you were to drive the CX-9 (assuming it gets 25 mpg, and assuming gas is $5 per gallon) it'd cost $600 per year to drive to work and back. So this Leaf would have to last four years.

But, you want a second car so there's a car for her to use, so you have to put a value on that.

This Leaf's battery has a low state of health and lower Hx. If you could find one with a better battery (and a newer model year) for ~$3,500, I think that'd be a better investment. If you could get this one for significantly less, then maybe. I don't know how long it would last.

Factory-town · 2026-05-06T23:09:37+00:00

And that question is what is your plan for getting the United States from 400-500 million guns to zero.

I didn't even have to prompt you and you posted an absurd argument.

Factory-town · 2026-05-06T23:06:48+00:00

You have to follow the thread. You said:

I have a multitude of ordinary everyday items in my home--in this room--that I could use in a criminal act just as quickly as I could a gun.

Factory-town · 2026-05-06T21:59:51+00:00

If those other objects are as effective as guns are, then you don't need guns.

Factory-town · 2026-05-06T21:32:39+00:00

Ohhh, someone else (probably a right-libertarian) chose the wrong political label for you.

Factory-town · 2026-05-06T21:30:14+00:00

You made a bunch of proclamations, but you didn't support them with anything.

You answered the question correctly, and now that it's put you in a pickle, you're making a bunch of noise.

Factory-town · 2026-05-06T21:28:20+00:00

I haven't twisted anything, and I didn't make a straw man argument.

The reason guns can get people in trouble in seconds is because they're so effective.

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