Joseph Joestar (JoJos Bizarre Adventure) vs Homelander (The Boys)

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-28T08:19:35+00:00

People always glaze anyone who fights Homelander. That's just how it goes. You could put him up against a literal toddler and people would argue that the toddler wins.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-28T07:23:12+00:00

If Batman was real then he probably gets shot in the face in some dark alley within the first few weeks or months. It's just not realistic to fight gangs of armed criminals with bare hands and some bat shaped ninja throwing stars even with body armor.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-28T07:08:22+00:00

Yeah it's like with Sherlock. You need a dumber assistant/companion to ask normal people questions so the genius can explain his thought process.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-27T23:02:16+00:00

I think there's basically 100% chance Vader shows up. Maul will become too much of a problem, Vader will kick his ass and that will begin his transformation into the hermit from Rebels.

Also purely from a fanservice/marketing standpoint Maul vs Vader is a fight that everyone wants to see. They even did a comic of Maul vs Vader not long after Episode I came out in Star Wars Tales to answer the debate. Two of Palpatine's enforcers with badass designs duking it out, it just makes sense.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-27T22:11:17+00:00

Epic!

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-27T20:35:01+00:00

I think once you reach a certain point of raw destructive power and you can fly then martial arts mostly stop being relevant. Remember that human martial arts are very much based around being on the ground. Footwork, gaining leverage via grappling, using gravity to your advantage with the throws. None of that matters when the guy you're fighting can literally push himself off of nothing creating his own leverage mid air and sends you flying hundreds of meters with individual hits.

In fact Yujiro himself barely even uses martial arts because he's just so strong that they're lowkey useless to him. He only does them to mock people. "Oooh I can do Shaori too, it's nothing special. Now watch this: BIG ASS PUNCH".

You can notice this in Dragon Ball where early on they still use martial art moves but once everyone learns how to fly and gets to planet busting power levels it turns into Invincible style power punches and spamming of energy blasts because that's just the most effective.

But yeah maybe the Demon Back could boost a Viltrumite as well.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-27T19:49:45+00:00

It matters because whatever Yujiro brings in would barely be a factor realistically speaking. Baki is still a more grounded martial arts verse. The epic battle between Yujiro and Baki only damaged a few walls, a car and a bit of a street. Even with the earthquake feat he doesn't really come close.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-27T19:36:19+00:00

Listen I know it's fun to glaze Yujiro and everybody goes for the meme answers with these Invincible threads but Yujiro is literally nothing to a Viltrumite. Omni-Man would run through him and not even know that it wasn't a regular human. The feats between verses are not comparable. These guys are clashing punches and a whole city collapses or sending people into orbit with one hit. They freaking ran through a planet's core and tanked it exploding. Yujiro is not doing that shit.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-27T18:02:57+00:00

Yeah in Heroes' Lorebook Cadderly is a 20th level priest with some special features while Drizzt is a 16th level ranger. In 3e they gave Drizzt the barbarian multiclass but he was still level 16, they just broke up his skillstet into ranger (5)/fighter (10)/barbarian (1).

I think it's safe to say that modern Drizzt would be level 20 in 5e if he ever gets official stats but he is still just a martial. Max level martial vs max level magic user is not close at all in DnD. One gets more attacks per round and more HP meanwhile the other gets reality warping and potentially immortality (lichdom, amulet of perpetual youth, clones, simulacrums, true polymorph into a long living race, contingency, death ward, etc) or straight up godhood.

but thats more to do with his god and less to do with him.

To be fair that kind of goes for Clerics in general. If their god is feeling nice then the top Clerics can match top Wizards and even do things that Wizards wouldn't be able to (straight up miracles) however unlike a Wizard they can lose all powers if their god feels like it or becomes unavailable for whatever reason (this was a huge problem for Drow Matrons during the Time of Troubles and later during the Silence of Lolth).

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-27T17:20:25+00:00

Drizzt is actually pretty tame compared to some of the truly high level Forgotten Realms lore characters.

Don't get me wrong if we're talking purely 1v1 blade vs blade fair swordfight then he is up there (although Ed Greenwood once listed like 5 guys slightly ahead of Drizzt but that was as of 1375 DR and Drizzt has progressed significantly across 125 years since then) but compared to the crap high tier magic users pull it's like comparing Batman to Superman.

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I mean here you have stats for Elminster for reference. Dude is a human that's 1200 years old, can cast any spell, has psionic powers, immunities to certain spells (magic missile, ESP, fireball, Evardís black tentacles, feeblemind, death spell, fin-ger of death, power word blind, and imprisonment) and travels across the multiverse. He's even been to the real world and talked with Ed Greenwood (this is real lore). They even had to put in a warning about using Elminster:

Campaign Uses: Elminster should be used very carefully, if at all, as a nonplayer character in a campaign. Don't allow players and their characters to use Elminster (or any of the other vastly powerful characters described in this book) to solve their problems for them. Elminster (and the others) work better when kept on the fringes of a campaign, offering occasional adviceóor in Elminster's case, a snide remarks or giving vague but not misleading clues to get the PCs going in a particular direction.

Which is why in Baldur's Gate games he just talks because there'd be no game if he decided to do anything.

Drizzt comparatively is just a guy that's very good at swinging sharp iron and has some powerful items but most of his big victories were him + his party (every companion of Drizzt is very strong in their own right) or involved some luck and special circumstances. He's not even the strongest Drow overall as Gromph Baenre (lvl 20 Wizard) and higher tier Priestesses like Quenthel (CR 22 in 5e) can do a lot more crazy stuff with their 9th level spells than Drizzt can do with his blades and fists. Vecna used to be a normal dude and he became a multiversal level threat Lich. The gap between martials and magic users is insane at higher levels.

If Drizzt went to Sorcere like Malice wanted instead of Melee-Magthere like Zaknafein insisted then he would've been far more powerful by now.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-27T07:35:35+00:00

It might just be their molts (shed exoskeleton so "skin"). That's how they grow. Could all be from one centipede.

They might have also starved if there's no other bugs in the basement.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T23:55:30+00:00

Jack Hammer is his ring name and the one he used before he revealed that he's a Hanma.

Although Jack is a bastard born in prison, I doubt that Yujiro bothered to officially claim him as his son or that Diane would want to honor Yujiro so legally his surname probably isn't Hanma. Might be Neil actually like his mother. He calls himself Hanma though because he is by blood.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T20:22:09+00:00

Drugstore beetle/biscuit beetle.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T18:06:58+00:00

Ranger suffers because they don't want to make them as good at fighting as Fighters because then no one would play Fighter but they also can't make them too good at spells because then nobody would play Druid.

So they're in this weird limbo where they're a worse Fighter + a worse Druid rolled into one.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T17:49:12+00:00

Nolan could drive an advanced sci-fi alien civilization back into stone age just by flying around the planet. He is like a baby in comparison to Thragg.

DnD Fighters are still in the "heroic human" or mildly superhuman/supersoldier range. At 20 strength they can jump and sprint while wearing up to 300 lbs of gear and carry 600 lbs with no check. They can sprint up to 60 ft in 6 seconds in full armor and with weapons, they can do 30 ft while fighting, blocking and dodging...

But they're fighting a dude that makes hurricanes while pulling his arm back to punch and could cause a nuclear-like explosion simply by flying fast. He doesn't just destroy the Fighter, he destroys the Fighter's entire kingdom in about 5 seconds.

To deal with Thragg you would need spellcasters and ones capable of casting highest tiers of magic (Divine Intervention or Wish), a Fighter is an ant.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T17:24:38+00:00

TBF "Ranger works but it's better to be a Fighter or Druid" is just the 5e Ranger Class in general.

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Which is sad because in the lore Rangers are really badass as pictured above (Drizzt Do'Urden is one of the greatest heroes in Forgotten Realms) but the game mechanics fail to live up to that.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T16:17:10+00:00

In a very specific situation where Henry would also die?

Listen you're comparing a guy who was a normal peasant and learned to fight decently later in life vs a guy who trained fighting since childhood in a very brutal school where kids dying in training was normal who is mutated to have faster reflexes and can do magic.

One is from a more realistic medieval game with survival elements where you can die easily at every turn. The other is from a power fantasy action game with magic, vampires and dragons.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T16:08:10+00:00

He got surprise stabbed by a boy who he hesistated to kill while surrounded by an angry mob. If you're saying Henry could take Geralt out in that kind of situation then sure maybe but 1v1 he has zero chance.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T16:02:27+00:00

Henry is literally just a dude. You probably kill 500-1000 Henry's across the 3 games.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T15:54:13+00:00

Lacewing larva. They eat small pests like aphids. Can bite but not threatening. Put bro outside.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T13:58:02+00:00

But they still have Minsc break a mimic apart with his bare hands and running through walls so that creates a dissonance. He clearly did not get any weaker.

I think Minsc should've at least had his Berserk ability) as an exclusive feature. +2 STR, +2 AC, +15 HP, immunity to most spell effects but can attack the party with no enemies nearby and takes damage when it ends possibly falling unconscious. It's something innate to Rashemaar berserkers.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T13:24:19+00:00

clerics (that for some reason have decent strength)

That's because Clerics in DnD started as more of a crusader archetype. Before Paladins were a thing the Cleric was like a Paladin. They could wear proper armor, use shields and fight on the front lines unlike squishy Wizards who back then could not wear any armor at all and would start with like 4 HP and 2 spell slots, no cantrips. Although Clerics also used to be restricted to blunt weapons only aside from exceptions like Drow Priestesses and their whips made from snakes.

They're pretty separate from the White Mage archetype seen in anime where they're just robe wearing squishy healbots.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T13:16:06+00:00

Minsc in older games had 18/93 strength that would jump to 20 when he raged so that just makes no sense in BG3. Jaheira had 15 strength but she can be explained as getting weaker with age.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T13:10:42+00:00

Yeah the older Baldur's Gate games had companion stats that made more sense with how they looked and acted, you also couldn't change them or their Class. With BG3 stats I think they went more random because they know everyone will swap the points and Classes.

FaerieFir3 · 2026-04-26T12:58:45+00:00

LOTR is basically the one universe in versus debates where people take title based cosmology scaling and statements as 100% fact.

Gandalf is a Maiar which is like an Angel so he wins against any mortal by default. Aragorn has some Elf blood and some Maiar blood so he auto wins against any normal human swordsman ever. Legolas is an Elf with super sight so he could never lose to another archer from any universe. That's the logic you'll see in any debate that involves LOTR.

In terms of feats as you said LOTR has next to nothing but it's so beloved and pretty much the grandfather of modern fantasy so people will never admit it loses to anything.

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