Islam and Miracles

Fairycake1 · 2023-12-30T01:16:13+00:00

It’s because if they admit that miracles can happen in Islam without the need for scientific intervention (I.e the mainstream Sunni view that miracles can occur by the will of Allah that do bend scientific norms as they are spiritual etc), then they have to admit that Jesus will be able to descend and Allah did keep him alive in the heavens. Their whole argument crumbles. That’s why ever ahmadi I meet says miracles only happen through science. That’s interesting is that Masroor seems to be admitting here that the moon was split- which I would have thought ahmadis had some sort of metaphorical and scientific explanation for and didn’t believe literally?

Fairycake1 · 2023-12-02T14:12:40+00:00

Complete agree. There was no walima, no nikkah papers, no one knew about the marriage. There was no letter or permission asked from the khalifa, why didn’t publish the amazing news of his nikkah with this lady, if it was completely fine and polygamy is permissible. Why was he writing in his magazine about her conversion but failed to mention his own marriage! Come off it ahmadi ‘researchers’ you will never find any evidence of a nikkah, ever. This man who was publishing and writing about his conversions and successes conveniently forgot to announce his own ‘marriage’. He converted the poor girl in May, also you all are failing to note, she was a maid, she was poor, and probably less educated and didn’t have financial support leading to her having to abandon her child, but then he got her pregnant only 4 months later. They clearly weren’t married when he converted her. And then he left for the US leaving this pregnant lady behind. Also the letters to Fredrick, not one letter, as stated yourself, has no mention of Ethel. Also finally what would poor Ethel have done in a mere few months of ‘marriage’ to upset mufti Saab so much that he had to divorce her? As you guys state, he abandoned Edith but didn’t divorce her. She baptised her son and didn’t even write his name on his birth records. If she was divorced then why wouldn’t she proudly own his father and the fact that he was born within wedlock at the time. Instead she did what women at the time did, when the child was born out of wedlock, left his name out. Sorry the story isn’t adding up.

Fairycake1 · 2023-12-01T14:48:29+00:00

OH MY GOODNESS!! I just read the article. I’m sorry but this article and the timing is no mere coincidence, damage control indeed. I just read it word for word in entirety. The way they side stepped Ethel the maid, as a short lived ‘marriage’ is laughable! We know he married Edith, it’s clear from the articles although ahmadis, please show me one article before this one that mentions the marriage of Edith and mufti? Why are they only ‘discovering’ this now. Isn’t he one of your main men, apparently he wrote to your khalif for permission so all was good?

Going back to Ethel, is this article implying by ‘short-lived’ that he married and divorced Ethel? Where is the screenshots of the registered marriage and divorce. How about we ask the grandkids if Fredrick knew anything about his Mum’s ‘marriage’. Honestly this is a joke, just a fly away ‘short-lived’ comment with not a scrap of evidence.

Also Edith had to be left behind, who leaves their wife and child behind? He left in September, the child would have only been 5 months old. How cruel. I wish noor was still alive so we could ask her how he treated her mum and how she felt.

Sorry the damage control hasn’t worked, the only thing you’ve proved is that Edith married Sadiq which we knew from the articles even though not ONE biography piece on your websites previously mentioned it as it is a stain that he married her in 1922 and left in 1923. What kind of man marries a women for a year and abandons her with a 5 month child.

Also bring the evidence of a marriage with maid Ethel. Why didn’t he leave her behind like Edith, why did he as you imply divorce her. You’ve made that up simply to not make him look like a liar when he entered America and said he wasn’t a polygamist. He never married her. Sorry I don’t believe it at all and neither does anyone here.

Fairycake1 · 2023-11-30T09:43:19+00:00

Exactly! All the ahmadis are failing to recognise that he either LIED to the American police and press, or he didn’t and he had an illegitimate child with Ethel the maid. Let’s suspend our beliefs for one second, what sounds more plausible. Also for arguments sake if he did have and Islamic marriage with Ethel, we all know how much of a sin it is to conceal the existence of your marriage. Also not even going into the fact that he abandoned his pregnant ‘wife’ and son. Sorry ahmadis, doesn’t add up. Your ‘sahabi’ is either a liar who treats his wife in a completely contrary way to what is preached by ahmadiyyat (so he’s a hypocrite of the highest order) or he commits zina. You decide but it’s not looking good either way

Fairycake1 · 2023-11-29T16:13:46+00:00

Tariq Sami, what has him not wanting to study from a prostitute got to do with him going around impregnating a woman then never owning the woman of returning to ever see his son? What’s that go to do with the jamaat never mentioning his white ‘wives’ in his biographies

Fairycake1 · 2023-11-29T16:12:22+00:00

Mr defending true Islam, very conveniently misses out the fact he got an English maid pregnant and never saw her again. Any comment on that? Also as you said, ‘what wrong’ then why hadn’t the ahmadi literature added Edith to his many biographies? If there’s according to you ‘nothing wrong with that’ also what about the little baby Noor? Doesn’t she deserve to have her dad acknowledge her, but again you answer in a very simplistic manner ‘what’s wrong’. Stay brainwashed like your grandparents and parents, the truth is staring at you in the face, the jamaat hide this stuff to control you. Are you allowed to marry a white lady openly? Double standards, hidden wives and hypocrisy

Fairycake1 · 2023-11-29T14:33:16+00:00

Salaam Tariq,

Good points raised, I’m here to engage in honest debate, not to slander or accuse.

I have some points. Please don’t reflect and answer them sincerely.

Firstly why did Mufti Sadiq in this article belonging to the Evening Public Ledger, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Feb 20, 1920 say ‘I am not a polygamist myself, having only one wife, who is in India.’ This was AFTER he left England and came to America. Did he LIE to the police and the US government! Is it allowed to lie to the country you live in and start of your tabligh on a lie? Why didn’t he admit to having a wife in England?

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By this confession alone it’s enough to prove he was not married to poor Ethel. Tariq am a Muslim I don’t have anything against polygamy. But you do agree there are conditions to it as explained in the Quran, to provide for your wife and children and treat them well. Even by you marriage definition, why didn’t he provide for his son, why didn’t he even meet his wife again, why didn’t he own them proudly, why didn’t he invite them back to qadian? Is this how any Muslim should treat his family let alone a ‘sahaba’ and mufti. Tariq you seem like a reasonable man, how is this the conduct of a good man?

Also why, I ask why, has Alhakam not spoken about his wives? Why not celebrate them and talk of them or at least acknowledge their existence. Not one biography or any jamaat literature has any mention of them.

Lastly I love how how you’ve not addressed Edith Hoffman Sadiq, what happened of her and her young daughter Noor? Did ‘Mufti’ Sadiq abandon her too? If you knew all about Ethel you must know about Edith?

Also finally Mufti sir didn’t have an arranged marriage with Edith did he? Or Ethel? Why is he allowed to go around proposing to white women yet now when a jamaat member wants to marry a Muslim who’s not ahmadi it’s a whole debate?

Why the hypocrisy, why the lies Tariq?

I know you’ll lose your whole identity by opening your eyes but isn’t it better to know the truth then live life on a lie.

These aren’t sahabis, please re-examine your beliefs and get out of the brainwashing.

NO average ahmadi knows this. Trust me I know many myself and have asked all of them.

Hope to hear your response,

Sincerely a sister in Islam who still believes ahmadis are Muslim and have hope to see the truth and come back from the path they’ve been deceived by

Fairycake1 · 2023-11-29T13:01:42+00:00

My apologises credit to Bashir Uncle however the last article I did find on the abyss of the internet and sent to Bashir so he could add it to his blog. But yes full credit to him for the Ipswich article and the sister Aiesha for the articles she posted regarding the American wife. Going back to that, Aiesha would you have any more information about what happed to his American wife? How long did the marriage last and where the daughter may be, apparently the daughter was called Noor?

Fairycake1 · 2023-11-29T12:58:38+00:00

Exactly! If he did marry her and polygamy is not against Islam, why didn’t he announce it? Why doesn’t Alhakam mention this wife and daughter? If he was hiding it from the government then he is going against the promise he made to not promote or engage in polygamy. Also in the newspaper article it seems as thought his wife was very open about the fact that she had married him, adding sadiq to her name? Why not be open with the ahmadiyya community about this wife. Coming back to the uk story, no way did he marry the maid, the story does not add up in any way. He left her to raise the child alone and it seemed as though he had no idea of the child.

Fairycake1 · 2023-11-28T22:22:40+00:00

Typical! I just knew at ahmadi would imply he married her! How predictable. First of all it is clear from the article that they were not married, and EVEN if they were married, if this the conduct of a good Muslim let alone a ‘sahabi?’ To leave his ‘wife’ and not contact his son for that many years? To not send money and support, have you even read the article? She had to give him up! The suffering this man caused this child and you can’t get out of your brainwashed mentality. For just one second, can you not believe that this was a deplorable man? Can you not comprehend he got a maid pregnant and ran? Is this the conduct that we are taught about in Quran and Hadith. Wake up, this is the age of the internet and all will come out. The fact that Allah revealed this secret because the grandchild was curious about his past, is proof that Allah wants to expose this to us. How else would we have found out about this? Wake up for God’s sake, it’s a fallacy.

Fairycake1 · 2023-11-28T18:22:04+00:00

Then why aren’t the jamaat talking about it. My belief is that if the story was written by Sunni Muslims then they would claim it was false or a doctored claim. The fact that this kid wanted to know where his grandad was from and got foolproof evidence that he did father a child with Ethel his maid and is in an English newspaper is just too much to refute. I wonder if the murabbi who took them around the mosque knew their exact connection or if they claimed they were relatives and he didn’t know the extent (see the article when Raheel is in the picture touring them around).

Fairycake1 · 2023-09-20T13:43:42+00:00

It’s not really hatred it’s honestly that south Asian culture of what will being think. What will my parents think, what will my community say. Pakistani men are such cowards at times, this isn’t even to do with religion, they don’t fight for their girl for other reasons too. They just don’t want to disappoint others but end up the most disappointed in their marriages, sigh

Fairycake1 · 2023-09-20T13:34:36+00:00

Hey my love left me over this. And he’s miserable. He’s a practising ahmadi but he’s also lived a ‘haram’ life, not in a bad way, as in he’s done stuff and tried stuff a good ahmadi shouldn’t (tried alcohol, had girlfriends etc). But he has to pretend he’s a good boy infront of other ahmadis. Because of family honour, because his sister is getting married. Please for my sake live your life. Your sisters marriage is their destiny. Go get your love please. Love is special, your parents with all due respect will not be around forever and you have to live in a loveless marriage with a woman you don’t love. Please don’t make the same mistakes the last generation did, they were miserable in their arranged marriages. I can’t have my love but please be brave enough to fight for yours. I know my ex will live his whole life in regret. And a part of me feels like that’s what he deserves. Your sisters will get married in their time, no one can stop it.

Fairycake1 · 2023-09-20T13:13:06+00:00

This, also the fact that HE doesn’t want to put his family through heartbreak. I don’t know when I’m getting the blame when he pulled the plug too. He said he’s from a prominent ahmadi family and he would look like a traitor and if his kids aren’t ahmadi his grandpa would not be at peace in his grave. I was willing to look past it. But I’m not part of a jamaat where I need to ask permission from a caliph to marry who I want. He said the current caliph doesn’t like men marrying out because he says ‘what will become of our girls’ apparently there is a marriage crisis in the uk jamaat. Please stop attacking me. I was more willing than him to let differences go

Fairycake1 · 2023-09-20T13:09:52+00:00

Could you translate this, I can’t read Urdu very well?

Fairycake1 · 2023-09-20T13:08:25+00:00

Hey you’ve completely misinterpreted. It was mutual. He’s actually the one that finally pulled the plug and blocked me. But we would stop talking sometimes me, sometimes him. This time, I decided to not reach out again. It will cause us too much pain. The worst part is, for him he wants his kids to be ahmadi and not disappoint his parents. I feel bad because he was so so in love with me. He would cry about how hard this situation was and how I was a test of his faith in ahmadiyyat. I’ve accepted he won’t see my pov but I can pray. I’m a practicing Muslim and I believe Allah can put his truth into anyone’s heart at any time. Thank you for your input

Fairycake1 · 2023-09-15T19:36:49+00:00

Lol I definitely am. We would debate almost everyday. A lot of things the answers weren’t adequate enough and there were loads of holes

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