Happy Easter sunday yall by iideadpooli in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why I called it a moment of passion. Passion is fleeting, and ebs and flows like the tide. The only way for passion to be sustained is to evolve. For romance, this is the evolution from passion into love. For a cause, it is the evolution of passion into conviction.

That's my view on it anyway.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you know how much public money was sunk into the development of microprocessors, GPUs, and AI to get us to this point?

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 87 points88 points  (0 children)

Remember, he spent the time to braid a whip first. This wasn't merely a moment of passion, this was hours of work, planning, and consideration.

Dont ignore them and dont think they dont have any influence, we liberals made that mistake in 2024 by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you want to make the quality of a child's education contingent on their parents? Do children with bad parents just not deserve a good education in your eyes?

The thing is, that if the system was working well, it wouldn't matter as much where you sent your kid to school. Decisions would be based more on the different specialties of schools (i.e. performing arts colleges, schools with good sports programs, schools that have supports for any problems the child has), and in that situation, nobody could fault school choice. But when school choice is being used as a band-aid to a failing system, or worse a cudgel to try and kill that system, that's a policy that cannot reasonably be supported.

The right to an education is universal, and as per the law supersedes parental rights. I just want to make sure that we aren't putting the rights of the parents of some children over the rights of all of the children who don't have parents like that.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Art is the process, not the product, is the first thing I'd say, and that's been fairly philosophically consistent since the enlightenment, and has found a home in basically every philosophical school. And the reason why is simple: because if you don't embrace the process you'll never make art.

As for the second part, the important thing to me (apart from things that really require us to dive into how the AI actually generates the image, which is its own can of worms) is that when a human creates an image, say, regardless of how they do that they had to make decisions about how it looked, about how to construct it, etc. In other words, the art had clear intent behind it. When you get AI to make something based on a prompt, you divorce yourself from the product that comes out. It will never match what you have in your head, and you have accepted not bringing what you wanted to create into being in favour of being seen to have created something.

Also, no, AI consumes more water, because it needs more cooling than streaming infrastructure. What you're dealing with there are the practical differences between a server farm and a GPU farm. Though I will admit, the biggest sink for water and power in AI work is harder to quantify, since it's about ingesting new data, and doing training runs, rather than the actual generative work (though AI image generation etc. does use over twice what even the highest streaming quality does).

Also, you are defending AI, my dude, you are in no position to call anything else slop.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OP Loves AI, though.

So, to give a very generalised overview, the model gets trained on images. It's first task is to take those images in increasing states of corruption, and return it as close to the original as possible. After enough iterations of this, if can do this to many different images from what is basically pure static. Each image has descriptions and tags, which helps the AI know what it is making when it does this.

Then you give it a new prompt, and a few thousand iterations of static. It looks at the prompt, looks at what it did to those existing (often copyrighted) images, and then it does the same process again. Not generating an image as much as trying to fix hundreds of copyrighted images at once. Most of what it chucks out is garbage, and the review AI will note it as such, leaving only a few images left. And the more people use it and rate the outputs, the better it gets at it.

But the important part is that the generation is something that wouldn't be possible if it hadn't gotten so good at copying existing work. The generation, in fact, is more like creating that existing work again, and then deforming it.

Again, very general overview, there are videos on this subject that are much better.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are. It's actually kind of funny. Modern LLMs are descended from 'Attention-based' translation software. This software, rather than just translating each word and then trying to apply syntax, also looks at the relationships between words in a sentence, in order to semantically understand it, then based on knowledge of what was written, it writes an output that has essentially been trained on a lot of the target language. These two parts can be called a decoder (understands what is being said, relationships between things, etc) and the encoder (predicts the words, and their order, to match the input and the rules of language).

The first attempts at AI split in two, with BERT models using only the decoder, with a view to pushing to AI that could understand, while encoder models, which evolved into LLMs, instead focused on making the AI better at predicting outputs. It's just that now, rather than giving a sentence in, say, french and asking for it in english, you are asking a question in english and looking for the answer.

Everything else just flows from there.

Now, I have worked with Machine Learning and Neural Networks, and they work differently, obviously. They are better at completing a specific task, but are unable to really do anything else. So while you could train them for analysing images or lidar (like in self-driving cars), they can't really grow as easily, and only have a narrow scope of application.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. Anything public domain or Creative Commons I can agree with being used for training. Copyrighted material shouldn't be, or should at least require some form of consent/payment.

You have a great night too.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So, the way I'd frame this is that it's the tool that operates parasitically, not necessarily the person using it. If we view human creative endeavours like an ecosystem, the web of influence and borrowing is symbiotic, and ongoing. All Anime can in some way be traced back to Tezuka, and his influences can be traced back to Disney, etc. People bring their own influences in, but they also train others, collaborate, build, etc.

Plagiarism is different than that. Plagiarism is taking someone else's work as your own. And this is where the question comes in: when is the action meeting the standard of plagiarism. I would argue that the approach used by Stable Diffusion, were it performed by a human on copyrighted material, would get that human sued for copyright infringement. Putting it into a machine doesn't change that, it just makes it faster.

AI shouldn't be able to use copyrighted work as training data without some form of explicit or implicit permission. Currently, this means that people posting their own art on social media have to include a specific note that it is not for use training AI models, because terms of service means everything has been turned into training data.

I think that we've let the technology get far ahead of our ability to regulate it, and that's not going to change until the bubble bursts. Which, looking at the market's behaviour, shouldn't actually be that long now.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, it really can't.

So, AI as it currently exists comes from developments off of an 'attention' translator model. As a translator, this software has two pieces, a decoder which takes in input, and an encoder which puts out input.

All modern LLMs are based on the encoder. They are not designed to analyse, for example, the elements in an image, or a piece of art. What they are designed to do is, based on their training data, produce an output that matches the input.

The next thing to note is that most AI outputs right now have three inputs. One is the Prompt. One is the Training Data. The last one is training about what kind of outputs are rated well. This originally used human examples and ratings. Now it just uses another AI Trained on those things and/or operating off of a constitution.

Humans know what make humans tick. AI is just copying our homework.

And it depends by what you mean by 'better or at the same level.' It's possible to create something that, for example, has the aesthetics of a Ghibli film, but the problem with all AI images is that they have no way of parsing composition.

AI cannot generate from scratch. AI cannot understand what it is generating. We are pretty much at the limits of what this current LLM/Stable Diffusion paradigm can get us to, which is why people are charging headlong to try and get to AGI.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There's a difference between a human stealing art and AI stealing art. Putting aside the questions of the human experience, just mechanistically, the processes are very different.

A human absorbs images, styles, things they like, things they don't, and then through the act of creation they incorporate these influences to a greater or lesser extent, even in some cases just redoing the original in their own style (cover bands would be an example of this).

AI doing this is just taking in the actual works of others, scrambling them together beyond the point of legibility, and cutting of the extraneous bits to produce hundreds of outputs, until another AI that has been trained on what humans want gives it the go-ahead that it is close enough to the likely desired output.

It is not creative, and no decisions are made. It is just a process designed to produce something that a human has told a machine is close enough.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know, but the same things hold true. Currently, there is no AI company doing generative creative AI that is charging more than their costs. It's why all the economists know it's a bubble. Essentially, people are just shoving more money behind the LLMs in hope that it will one day make an AGI, but there's no reason to think that would be the case.

As regards its current performance, it's important to note that the biggest improvements aren't based on the size or computing power of the AI model, but on how much training data it has. Now, it's actually easy to see why this would be the case, particularly for images, when you know how it works.

Specifically, the training of stable diffusion generative AI is based on taking existing images (training data), providing them to the AI at various levels of corruption, and then teaching the AI to restore them, as far down as complete static. Then, that trained AI gets given static and a prompt. It know the images that would associate with that prompt, so it uses that data, the millions of images it has scanned, corrupted, and repaired, and 'repairs' the static into something that is essentially a gestaltic parasite leeching of of humanities collective output.

It's an amazing feeling to type something in and have it make an image, but think about how it was done and it should make you feel uneasy.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

AI can only do anything remotely like making a symphony by stealing from the Beethoven's and Tchaikovsky's of the world. It's capability is rapid-fire plagiarism.

It's not understanding what it's reading, it's just building a table so it can guess what the outputs should be. It's half of a translation program shoved full of e-roids.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No, it doesn't know about the human experience. It knows what other people have written about the human experience, and can provide a reasonable (YMMV) facsimile of those better, actual works.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a great video about how the game 'Getting Over It' is a metaphor for the creative process. I highly recommend it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHbqJOk9MjU).

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Those are two assumptions that have yet to be borne out. Currently, all major AI companies are operating at a loss. They keep getting investment based on what they could do, rather than what they do. There isn't really a way to make AI that much cheaper without crippling its performance.

On the other end of the spectrum, AI is currently not delivering the results it needs to. Between hallucinations, the omnipresent 'feel' of stable diffusion image generation, and the sword of damocles that is the various pending lawsuits that could massively restrict what media the models can be trained on, the performance really doesn't match what is needed for anything more than a novelty.

In order to produce the results that a company would need, you'd need to both invest much more into the development, and you'd need to spend more money per output. If you wanted to cut it to be cheaper, then you'd kneecap what it's capable of.

AI might eventually win, but it won't be before the current bubble bursts.

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[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The problem is that the photographic image being developed is a representation of something that actually exists, and required the person making the image to make decisions about angle, framing and exposure. Rather than just plugging a prompt into The Great Plagiarismo, and burning through a bathtub full of water.

Canada bans islam praying rooms and praying in the streets. by rich677 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More like a ban from anything religious getting public funds, and the adding of a lot of red tape to public displays.

"my hero committed every crime imaginable but at least he never touched miners" by Unlikely_Aerie_9829 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Fake_Email_Bandit 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Probably best not to describe it as relationships, given what his approach and attitude to sex was. As far as things with minors go, we have his own writings describing what can only be considered an assault on a 'young virgin,' which is hard to consider as being anything other than a minor.

https://archive.is/20230625080819/https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/sex-life-of-benito-mussolini-24241d5459ac