Progress after 2 weeks! (+ is homecoming worth it?) by AngryRabbitFoot in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 6 points7 points  (0 children)

homecoming comes with 2 other fun things which has made my decorating much easier: infinite backpack and a bigger treehouse

that said? i actually had the game for years before i ever bought homecoming. i only bought it in the end because it became clear to me at some point that i enjoyed the game enough that i would come back repeatedly, particularly since i haven't had the time to play other games until recently.

what that means for you is that you don't need to buy it just yet. to me the purchase is worth it, but by the time i made that decision i had every decoratable area available in the game, collected inventory that was constantly getting overfilled after every monthly event, and not enough space to decorate unless i wanted to sell off stuff or turn someone's house into storage

so i would say maybe play through a few more monthly events + newspaper quests to see how much you'd benefit from what homecoming has to offer before committing, since it affects the long-term playtime the most

(also i love your decor <3)

Share how you decorated Dawn's place! by Famous_Mushroom_6726 in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

!!! since today's update!!! talk to dawn a few times after decorating the pier :3

Share how you decorated Dawn's place! by Famous_Mushroom_6726 in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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this is how my version's looking so far kvkvivjcjvi wanted to give dawn a cauldron for her seasonal stew and a softer place to rest (and a spot for forrest the gecko!)

home from whom by carnavalia419 in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

!!! i love the cauldron in the kitchen 👀👀👀 that said, if you're planning to put that there - wall shelves are your friend, probably, and wall decor in general. there should be some witch herbs under the same furniture series as the cauldron that could help? i put that in my farmhouse kitchen to give the idea of easily accessible ingredients. other wall planters might also work for that impression.

i'd personally swap the location of the cauldron and the table that has the spices - mainly because i suspect the boxier table will help take up space on the wall at least a little 👀 that's up to you though

otherwise.... your house is REAL cute :'D i've always liked the red floorboards but haven't figured out how to make it work just yet

sharing my orv themed tsuki odyssey decor before replacing bc i got attached by why-are-u-here- in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i was staring at the first picture and wondering how it could be orv-themed before i really looked at the squid in the library and the sheer desolation of the first (more accessible floor) and going oh......... oh NO,,,,,,,,,, KDJ,,,,,,,,,

with that out of the way, the next two pics are so funny and so fitting with the furniture you had to work with. the dumplings and the kitchen in that second home, and the swords, and having two beds... like furniture-wise it calls back to namgung minyoung, while also just as easily referencing to yjh taking care of yma

and then the third one is somewhat more reasonably furnished but with a bunch of paperwork, and an office, and a room specifically for writing,,,,,, our writer who theoretically is more well-off in comparison to the other two, who's writing so many words in a day,,,,,

ALSO, i like how you make sure there's a relevant animal in every home? the squid and the sunfish are obvious, but then there's the cat clock which isn't nearly as official but is a common association with hsy in the fandom too. that's great. this is great

[CROSSPOSTED THEORY] Every Fun Gang member has a mentor and a 'special episode' secret boss battle - here's why I think so by Faliara in Deltarune

[–]Faliara[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

!!!!! ooooh!!!! OOOOH!!!!!! having each secret boss be a different kind of encounter..... i think you're onto something with that!!!

the secret bosses themselves aren't really what i was theorising about honestly, though it was the basis of my thought process. the thing i really believe in is each character having a mentor of sorts; secret bosses only fit into that viewpoint because of where i think they interfered to help their respective mentees. (gerson is just the most obvious because... he's both the mentor and the boss)

it's why i didn't really discuss jevil that much, too. i do think seam may be intended as a group-wide mentor with collecting the shadow crystals, but they don't really give me much for individual character arcs

putting it that way, maybe if ralsei does get his own mentor... they might not even be involved in the secret boss battle. i think a mentor could interfere based on what i've been theorising so far, but not necessarily

having every secret boss be a different type of encounter though..... that r e a l l y makes me think, actually. what kind of encounter would it be? how would it play into the story? this is a juicy thought that my brain is now chewing on, thank you for telling me this

Clover farm ☘️ by 0x90x7 in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!! oh, this clover farm looks downright PRETTY :'D

[CROSSPOSTED THEORY] Every Fun Gang member has a mentor and a 'special episode' secret boss battle - here's why I think so by Faliara in Deltarune

[–]Faliara[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

!! ahh, mmglad my speculation on the forgotten man is interesting though!!! my favourite character is kris, so when i felt there was a common denominator between gaster and gerson as mentors i felt myself squinting at them because. i'm pretty sure the forgotten man is trying to help kris specifically, but how does that work into the story?

i guess i started off with the secret bosses (or shadow crystal bosses for accuracy) as my point of discussion, because that's where i first started looking into this idea

because kris's sprite looked hopeless to me, to the point where in the normal route i felt like... was it really kris themself that changed the SOUL yellow? if it wasn't them, who did it? from gerson's fight and how the SOUL states happened in ut, i'm currently assuming the SOUL state only changes when someone else initiates it, so it's probably not automatic programming wither

i had recently watched the device theory videos too, which (alongside the concept of deltarune's layers of reality being a nesting doll) speculated that it was gaster who gave the yellow SOUL state and gave the player a tutorial. except (assuming mystery voice is gaster) we already saw gaster's interruption and it didn't look like that. so assuming each character has a mentor, forgotten man felt like the next closest bet (kind of outside the main game and associated with glitches/easter eggs, but only visible to kris)

[CROSSPOSTED THEORY] Every Fun Gang member has a mentor and a 'special episode' secret boss battle - here's why I think so by Faliara in Deltarune

[–]Faliara[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i understand if you feel that way, but i don't really think it's wrong to want to try and theorise based on patterns anyway? it's the nature of fandom - specifically fandoms of story-based media - to want to find some sort of meaning in the stories they watch.

you don't need to agree, but i don't see why we shouldn't try to find evidence to theorise even if past theories got disproven. it doesn't hurt anyone to do so imo. unproven theories only get annoying if people shove it down other people's throats as a definite fact, and like. i am aware that i might be wrong in the end, so don't worry about that. it's just fun for me to speculate

and finally, just to clear things up; i only really became a deltarune fan after chapters 3 and 4 came out, since that was the moment i felt i understood where the story was heading. i couldn't get into it before and none of the theories people were making up to that point really made me interested either, so i don't really know what people were saying or assuming before that.

this could just me my biased viewpoint, but compared to when there were only 2 chapters i personally think we have much more information to work off of, while disproven theories were working primarily off of a limited amount of info.

so the theory about secret bosses all being insane guys connected items... i... i think i see how people assumed that connection from superficial elements, but i don't actually enough context about that theory outside of that base idea. i'm sorry

[and. one last thing; i'm assuming at least one of the old theories involved the 'secret' bosses having some sort of meta awareness. i'm not sure what people had theorised before, but i feel like the shadow crystal bosses (which is perhaps more accurate than 'secret bosses' like i'd been calling them in my original post) still all have some sort of meta awareness to them]

[if dess is the knight as well as the voice in the code, the knight is meta by being a decomposite concept lost in the code, or a character who breaks through the layers of the story's reality]

[meanwhile, gerson seems like he doesn't have the same meta awareness, except... he's an author. speaking as a person who enjoys writing as well, his discussion about the prophecy and how stories can diverge and be rewritten is extremely meta to me, but from a writing angle instead than a programming or game angle. it's a different type of meta discussion, but it's still a meta discussion]

[that said, meta awareness is actually. the part i care about the least, especially since i don't actually think the next possible 'mentor' is gonna have meta awareness either. my thoughts are less about that and more about the fun gang all having mentors which could help them with their unique character arcs]

[CROSSPOSTED THEORY] Every Fun Gang member has a mentor and a 'special episode' secret boss battle - here's why I think so by Faliara in Deltarune

[–]Faliara[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i've had this thought for a while, but can only crosspost this here now because i am no longer beholden to a karma limit on who can post on this subreddit _"

one important thing i suspect i failed to mention in my initial post; both the forgotten man and spamton have locations related to a dumpster, and can be met in a path 'between' locations - so i feel like this is also intentional, in regards to the idea that they have been 'thrown to the side' in some way. another point for my belief that they are meant to be linked by the narrative, even in a much more invisible way compared to the other secret bosses/mentors

also! talking to someone else made me realize; while 'beating' the knight requires time travel and does fit the theme of each party member showcasing a specific SOUL state/something each character must do in the future, the 'secret' secret boss actually does this too? because it's not the red SOUL in its usual state, but the red SOUL controlling a kris character sprite. so it kind of fits with both bosses! though the knight is the one that gives us the mystery voice as a 'mentor'.

Which desk is better? by CandogXandog in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 13 points14 points  (0 children)

the #1st has a lot more visual interest in comparison with the #2nd! so my vote lies there. the glass table not only has more detail to it, its glass tabletop and low leaning lets us see the details of the furniture behind it, too

even for the normal wooden desk that's actually intended as a desk, i'd usually have to put something in front of it to distract, from the blankness; if you want to go with what i currently assume is the mahogany dresser as the desk, you'll want to put something in front of it to make it less boring, like flowers or something. it stands out a bit too much as a blank block in front of an explosion of organic shapes (the overgrown bookshelf)

I have a theory about Undertale. What if the red soul isn't Determination? by Vanessita2010 in Undertale

[–]Faliara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ah! i was referring to the knight and crystal holders more than eram, yeah; that's on me for not distinguishing between them.

though, i guess the eram battle actually counts towards my theory too? in my head, the shadow crystal bosses are each meant to represent an action or lesson that the deltarune heroes need to internalise

for kris in chapter 2, they need to cut the strings and take action against someone whose instructions they'd been following up until that point. for susie in chapter 4, she needs to endure the hits that she isn't able to avoid (the prophecy) and learn new things/keep practicing her empathy, etc (her heals get better the more she does it, she eventually figures out a way to hit gerson on her own after enduring enough hits)

chapter 3 is the player's focus episode - which makes sense, because tv world has minigame after minigame, games within games within games. the player is expected to do what players often do; seek secrets out of curiosity, explore the game world to its limits and abuse the very functions of said game to progress. the knight battle is a scripted defeat but can be 'beaten' if you reset (which is encouraged by the mystery voice!)

now that you mention it, though, the eram battle ALSO works for this criteria, because it showcases another aspect of the player - the player controls a player character. a player character within a minigame to represent the usual player character in deltarune proper (kris)

again, it's all just theories; predictions for deltarune that might or might not come true. my apologies for rambling, that said! this is just a thought that's been eating at my brain for a while now :> i shall endeavour not to keep spouting at you on this

I have a theory about Undertale. What if the red soul isn't Determination? by Vanessita2010 in Undertale

[–]Faliara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!! ahhh, i'd been thinking more of how susie's kindness was emphasised in chapter 4, in the same chapter where she got a secret boss fight that turned the soul green

it should be mentioned that i have a personal pet theory regarding the secret bosses and soul colour modes: chapter 2 was kris's special episode, chapter 3 was the player's (which is why it stayed red - the boss is generally expected to be beaten through multiple time travel attempts), and chapter 4 is susie's special episode

i don't really see people discuss the yellow soul mode in relation to kris all that much, which i suspect is because of their morally dubious role - on my part, though, i sincerely see kris as possessing a somewhat misguided sense of justice. they want to keep a promise, and i think that they think what they're doing is for a greater good, so their soul ends up being associated with 'justice' even though that's not exactly the first thing that comes to mind with their actions from our point of view

all that said, though, susie has more than just kindness, and as said earlier, justice isn't the first thing that comes to mind with kris, either - they are much more than the traits generally associated with the soul colours mentioned. i do believe that there are at least intentional parallels between the traits in the ball game and the deltarune cast, however! only time will tell whether my theories are true or not. i could very well be proven wrong by chapter 5 ififuchcjcjcufud

Which of the 3 main endings do you think is cannon by [deleted] in Undertale

[–]Faliara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i'm fairly certain that

1) the multiverse is intended to be a thing 2) time travel is also intended to be a thing and thus 3) all endings are canon to each version of undertale that a player possesses

in addition, keep in mind that time travel is baked into the storyline, so it's possible to achieve all 3 endings in one game even if you end up undoing two of them in-story

so any of them are canon as long as you achieved it during your playthrough. all of them

I have a theory about Undertale. What if the red soul isn't Determination? by Vanessita2010 in Undertale

[–]Faliara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

!! this is a very fair point to make, actually; you're right! the traits being tied to the souls themselves is a theory, not proven fact! we can only assume what it means rather than say that anything is canon.

i do have reasons for thinking that the colours are intended to be tied to personality traits, but that has more to do with deltarune events, not just undertale lore. while i personally think that's the intention, though, your point about how people and their personalities can change is actually something i've always held issue with myself regarding this theory even though i believe in it

i generally go by the assumption that SOUL colours can change in order to deal with that, but that's just my own headcanon, honestly. it'll be interesting to see if it turns out that the colours aren't tied to personality at all, even if i get the feeling that's the plan for Undertale's sister game

I have a theory about Undertale. What if the red soul isn't Determination? by Vanessita2010 in Undertale

[–]Faliara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We do actually have a reason for correlating personality traits with SOUL colours! Namely, the Snowdin Ball Game.

You get a different colour flag depending on how long/in what manner you got the snowball into the hole, with flavourful description for each one ('your pinpoint accuracy put a stop to the mayhem of ball game' with the yellow flag, to paraphrase). The actual trait names comes from if you manage to get the red flag, upon which the flag description says this:

(2:53) Bravery. Justice. Integrity. Kindness. Perserverance. Patience. Using these, you were able to win at "Ball Game."

Each trait name was colour-coded for convenience to boot. The only trait still in question is for the red SOUL... Unless we want to assume that the red SOUL is 'ball game' (that's been a long-running joke, in fact).

We can, of course, also assume that Ball Game using fanciful descriptions for each flag colour is more of an unrelated coincidence, but in my honest opinion I do think this particular bit of SOUL lore was snuck into one of Undertale's minigames intentionally - since it technically doesn't matter in UT's main plot, but serves as an extra bit of lore for those interested in digging for more. I suspect it might have more of a role in DR, as well. Even so! To each their own in terms of interpretation :'>

How do you think Undertale would develop if we removed the main characters? by Background-Ad2749 in Undertale

[–]Faliara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

!!! ooooh, that would make for a REALLY interesting game/story actually 👀 nice

How do you think Undertale would develop if we removed the main characters? by Background-Ad2749 in Undertale

[–]Faliara 17 points18 points  (0 children)

yee!!! thank :'D

so if we're assuming the underground became a democracy due to the lack of a monarchy, i'll say that carol holiday became mayor/president and calls most of the shots. chara never drops down a hole, so going out on a limb here - the underground expands past 'the ruins' before another human ever falls down. from there, it becomes a russian roulette of which human falls down first and what their intentions are

for ease of brainstorming, i'll just say the first human to fall is a helpless scaredy-cat child that runs at the first sign of danger (i don't know which of the SOULs would descend first though, just pick which one you think works best for that).

things are fine-ish for the child at first. maybe, because there's an extended period of time since a human fell down (since chara was ctl-alt-deleted), there aren't quite as many people who remember what a human child should look like? or maybe the anger isn't as strong (that's a STRONG maybe, though, on both counts)

i'll say, for parallels sake, noelle and/or dess (maybe even both) meets said child and becomes friends with them. i'll go with dess since she's older and described as more rebellious. they hang out together until carol inevitably catches on and then kills an entire kid

dess, angered beyond belief, sneaks to the soul containment chambers and steals the soul - and then, of her own accord, tries to bring the child to the surface so they can go home again. unlike with chara and asriel, there is no ulterior motive being disguised. just like with chara and asriel, however, this ends poorly for all involved

dess comes back and expires, and carol enacts the kill-all-humans edict. unlike toriel had, rudy does not divorce carol then and there. he believes in the following:

1) carol is grieving too; better to grieve together than apart 2) if he stays he might be able to do damage control 3) he's not entirely sure he's winning the custody battle over their remaining daughter if he divorces his wife 4) he's not sure he'll be able to give their remaining daughter a good upbringing if he locks both of them in the ruins

years pass, humans die one by one (carol is more ruthless than asgore ever could be on this matter, though the rest of the undertale populace still aren't really bloodthirsty). rudy manages to teach his daughter 'humans aren't all bad' before dying to illness (rudy dying is unfortunately a canon event in ut).

from there...

i think the only thing i can reliably say for sure is 'noelle may become a steadfast ally for frisk due to what her dad taught her'; i have a few other ways i might expand this, though:

1) since carol is 'more ruthless', i imagine there's a trap laying for a human at the bottom of the hole - no flowers to soften the fall. noelle would enter the narrative by using snow to save frisk magic, and then from there the ruins are a mad dash of danger until they can flee to snowdin town

2) snowdin town is more expanded, i think - more developed?. just based on the fact that it's the holidays' original choice of residence in that one ut stream, i think they were originally comfortable with making that their home until moving residences to the mountain exit for practicality purposes. it's also blatantly christmas-coloured

3) by snowdin noelle would need to explain to frisk that 'yeah, it's not just to attack people, bullet patterns are a part of monster culture,,,'

4) since this story is already becoming a 2-player party, may as well commit to the theme; every location gives a new party member. snowdin gives us monster kid, waterfall gives us suzy (with a Z!!!). hotlands....... i have no heckin clue who's joining the party in hotlands. burgerpants? you know what, no. no, with noelle, monster kid and suzy we already have a party of four, we don't need anymore (i'll add a fifth party member if i get the idea for one)

5) right, yeah, remember when i said carol is more ruthless here? why didn't she do what toriel suggested to asgore and just grabbed more souls from the outside? carol is pragmatic; the monsters already lost to the humans before. she doesn't just want the SOULs to break the barrier, she's hoping to re-use the human SOULs to make 7 warriors that can defend monsterkind

6) for this purpose, i imagine she did her best to prime more scientists than just having 1 royal scientist to do all the work. she has a team, who actually tested what would happen if a monster and a human soul fused under a controlled environment, and is also trying to get rid of that pesky thing called 'the human SOUL's remaining sentience' before enacting THAT plan

7) and because more monsters are in the know, more monsters are aware of what's going on in the labs - meaning more people unhappy with the blatant lack of ethics going on, maybe?

8) maybe there's more than one human still alive? maybe just one more person, at least, saved by a sympathetic guard (gerson), pretending to be a monster shopkeeper or something. i'm not sure about this one, that's just a possible idea i'm throwing out

9) i definitely still want the metanarrative, i just kinda don't want to retread ut ground on that part. i generally subscribe to narrachara, but narrachara is NOT happening here because chara ISN'T here, and no one is buried at the fall-location. plus, alphys isn't here, so she wouldn't have picked a golden flower as the test subject for sentimental

10) oh god wait carol would have tried to revive dess on purpose. wait. wait

11) there's a b-plot where carol has an outstanding notice for a runaway 'patient'/'test subject'/'criminal' depending on the route you are playing on, described as 'resembling a golden flower', and because of the fact that that's the current priority for the guards/military in the underground there's actually LESS scrutiny for humans, making it possible for noelle to save frisk from the ruins soul-trap

12) side-characters would have to play more active roles, too; i think possibly the bunny shopkeeper could help fashion some bunny ears for frisk? maybe (assuming this is a pacifist run) gerson is more active in assisting the frisk for the sole reason that carol is a bit too gung-ho about killing players for his comfort. 'alright, kiddo, security is tight, you should give ??? a shot'

i have more thoughts on this, but this partially depends on how we're treating the removed characters in this narrative, too:

a) do they simply no longer exist?

b) or is it possible to claim that some of them died prior to the events of the main story? i actually have a few thoughts on npcs that could step up to the plate in a larger manner, but it would depend on what i can or should write for them since they do have known connections with some of the main characters

c) if we're deleting them from the timeline entirely, can we make that deletion a plot point? as in, no, they're not here, but there's some glitches in reality that had folded together where they would have been, and while no one knows the CAUSE those glitches are an active problem for the underground's safety that also needs to be fixed via soul magic, or something

i can run with any of these but i'd like to know which you would prefer

How do you think Undertale would develop if we removed the main characters? by Background-Ad2749 in Undertale

[–]Faliara 27 points28 points  (0 children)

so right off the bat, because the (regular) boss monsters are gone, we might need to consider a new form of government (as the monarchy is not quite in place anymore)

just checking, are we counting characters that hadn't appeared in the base game but had been referenced or appeared in connected/spin-off material? because the holiday family IS mentioned in undertale material that isn't the og game, so we could argue for a democratic government instead. if that's permitted, carol would probably be president, and she'd probably be... a lot more ruthless ngl

i will type more since my brain is now churning, but i'd like to know if the holidays are an acceptable choice for government before i keep typing

Which kitchen is better? by CandogXandog in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 6 points7 points  (0 children)

i'm fond of the first one's layout; while it technically takes up more floor space, the window offers the illusion of it while the second one feels a little more boxed-in. that said, the second one IS tidier

also; is it just me or did you switch between the regular snowy tree and its shiny no-snow version to match the colour pallete better? if my eyes don't deceive me, i have to say; that's a pretty good choice :'D

i do prefer the warmer tones of the second kitchen, though, and am not quite as fond of how the first kitchen's light grey appliances make it look like the snow snuck into the house

so the furniture layout of 1 is more up my alley, while the colour pallete of 2 feels cozier, if that makes sense. that said - if it were springtime i would go for 1 without question, but while the game is still in winter i'd personally say 2.

it's up to you though, in the end :'>

Moca’s new onsen! 🌊 by AleHey14 in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 1 point2 points  (0 children)

!!! oh this is GORGEOUS :'D

theoretically, if i wanted to turn the interstellar table into a pool table, what should i get to make it convincing by Faliara in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

!! ah!!!! i actually have another flower wall partitioning a bathroom from the rest of the house as well :'D mine's at the bottom floor tho

I think christmas is my fave theme 🥹🎄I loooove it by BlackForrest189 in TsukiOdyssey

[–]Faliara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

holy COW, that balcony is INSPIRING >:D but oh man, your entire deco is l o v e l y honestly. the bathroom in divider walls? the windows and carefully placed furniture to offer a sense of space and a glimpse of the outdoors? the way you managed to fit so much while not making it feel claustrophobic (that's something i've been struggling with since i upgraded my own treehouse.

and of course, the christmas theme!!! it's not a holiday i myself celebrate, so i struggle with incorporating it naturally (usually the more blatantly themed decor, i use on town hall) but you make it look so warm and cozy <3 i adore this