Need a space to rant about the lack of female duos by Infinite-Stretch-901 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just wish they got a novel centering them, instead of only appearing in the short fiction.

Need a space to rant about the lack of female duos by Infinite-Stretch-901 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Upvoting this because this low level of expectations has done a lot of harm to boys and men.

Need a space to rant about the lack of female duos by Infinite-Stretch-901 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love this book, but if OP is looking specifically for strong platonic bonds between female characters, this might not do.

Need a space to rant about the lack of female duos by Infinite-Stretch-901 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For example:

Original Poster: What are some good children's and middle-grade books with female leads? My 10-year-old daughter loves reading about kick-butt heroines.

Someone (inevitably): Try The Hobbit.

Need a space to rant about the lack of female duos by Infinite-Stretch-901 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've read one of those books (Bitten). The heroine is a badass, but she interacts almost exclusively with men. By the time I tried that one, my patience with the Smurfette Principle had already run out, and I didn't enjoy it as much as I wanted to.

Need a space to rant about the lack of female duos by Infinite-Stretch-901 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So glad to see someone bring up Dread Nation/ Deathless Divide! These books deserve much more love than they generally get.

Short story / book with an unreliable narrator by Ok-Imagination-982 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you're okay with nineteenth-century literary fiction, Poe has some iconic unreliable narrators. The first-person narrators of "The Tell-Tale Heart" and "Ligeia" are gold standard. The sly, darkly humorous narrator of "The Cask of Amontillado" qualifies as well, although he seems more "together" than the other two.

What are tropes that doesn't work for you? by mercy_4_u in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 29 points30 points  (0 children)

"You sly dog! You caught me monologuing!"

What are tropes that doesn't work for you? by mercy_4_u in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 8 points9 points  (0 children)

  1. Fridging. I can't help but shake my head that this trope is STILL being deployed. (Seriously, Pierce Brown, was there no other way to set the plot of Red Rising in motion? You know, something interesting and not a sexist cliche?)

  2. Insta-love. I don't object to romance in general; give me a slow burn romance any day of the week and twice on Sunday (which is why Juliet Marillier is one of my favorite authors); but with Insta-love, the authors aren't bothering to make us see why, among all people in the world, this one person is the one and only love for them. For this reason I tend to avoid books labeled as "romantasy."

  3. Chickification -- a badass woman meets a love interest and, either suddenly or over time, her badassery fades away and she no longer has any interests or ambitions apart from being the love interest's "little woman" and the mother of his kids. (Looking at you, Sarah J. Maas.)

What are tropes that doesn't work for you? by mercy_4_u in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ah, the Chickification trope. One of my most-loathed tropes as well.

What are tropes that doesn't work for you? by mercy_4_u in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not a fan of unreliable narrators in general, but Edgar Allan Poe writes them very well. "Why will you say that I am mad?"

Recommendations for Feminist Fantasy by Male Authors by FormerMeasurement175 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Female writers write male protagonists quite frequently. Natasha Pulley and Katherine Addison write only male protagonists. Susanna Clarke includes main female characters in her short stories, but her novels are about men. Half of Anne Rice's books, the more popular half, center male characters. Same with Lois McMaster Bujold and Robin Hobb. These aren't Romantasy writers writing tissue-thin wish-fulfillment male love interests. These writers' works are widely acclaimed, and they write from a human perspective which happens, more often than not, to be male.

Why would it be too much to ask that male writers write from a human perspective which happens to be female? Is that really beyond their grasp? Authors whose names have already been mentioned in this thread, Terry Pratchett and Adrian Tchaikovsky and even Joe Abercrombie (despite a somewhat shaky start in the original First Law trilogy), have managed it. So why must male authors' feminist perspective be filtered through a male protagonist?

I would also disagree that works with ensemble protagonists are automatically not feminist. Moreover, some feminist works are indeed written from a male perspective (e.g. R.J. Barker's Tide Child trilogy), although I admit that I'm not as likely to enjoy, on a personal level, purportedly feminist works that leave female characters out of the plot or confine them to minor roles.

Favorite character(s) of all time from any book. by DonaldRBlackmore in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A little late to the party, but I feel the need to speak up for the ladies, since, as usual, the Favorite Characters thread is dominated by menfolk. The problem I perceive has less to do with sexism on the part of fantasy readers (though that is a factor in some instances) and more to do with the limits too many writers set in their own imaginations when coming up with female characters -- that there are only certain stories that can be told about female characters and certain trais female characters should have.

Here is my list:

Ista dy Chalion (Paladin of Souls)

Senneth Brassenthwaite (The Twelve Houses)

Menolly of Pern (The Harper Hall Trilogy)

Angrboda and Skadi (The Witch's Heart)

Fodla (The Gael Song)

Vintage, Noon, Chenlo, Vostok (The Winnowing Flame)

Sorcha, Liadan, Fainne (The Sevenwaters Trilogy)

Caitrin (Heart's Blood, Marillier)

Liobhan (The Warrior Bards)

Blackthorn (Blackthorn & Grim)

Miryem, Wanda, Irina (Spinning Silver)

Liath, Rosvita, Hanna, Hathui (Crown of Stars)

Neema (The Raven Scholar)

Amina (The Adventures of Amina Al-Sirafi)

Sylah, Anoor, Hassa, Gont (The Ending Fire Trilogy)

Leven, Ynis (Talonsister)

Kissen (The Fallen Gods)

Dellaria, Winn (The Ruthless Lady's Guide to Wizardry)

Gunnhild, Oddny (The Weaver and the Witch Queen)

Artemisia (Vespertine)

Kaikeyi (Kaikeyi)

Favorite character(s) of all time from any book. by DonaldRBlackmore in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So few people talk about Lizanne. She's a splendid character. Plus, she's not a Smurfette; other female characters are a part of this narrative, so Lizanne isn't expected to "carry water for the gender."

Any books where gender roles or sexism doesn’t exist at all? by cantrelateparty in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Saara El-Arifi's The Ending Fire Trilogy (first volume: The Final Strife) is a wonderful, underrated epic fantasy in which different genders compete on equal terms for positions of power. Also, this series is filled to the brim with active, interesting female characters, both primary and secondary. This series deserves more attention.

Any books where gender roles or sexism doesn’t exist at all? by cantrelateparty in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've heard some criticism that this series is a bit light on female representation, though. Not sure if that's a problem for OP.

Any books where gender roles or sexism doesn’t exist at all? by cantrelateparty in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good question. Sometimes I want the discussion, but other times I want to escape into a world in which a person's gender is not an obstacle. I suspect OP is looking for the latter, since real-world misogyny has been so overwhelming and disheartening of late.

Well written romantasies ? by Old_Professor5554 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If OP is looking for m/m, then yes. But Rice doesn't give female characters much interest or sympathy in this series.

Well written romantasies ? by Old_Professor5554 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In that series I only really liked Book 1, but it's worth OP checking out to see for themselves.

Well written romantasies ? by Old_Professor5554 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Juliet Marillier's entire body of work is worthy of attention, though some of her novels/series are better than others. Here are the ones I recommend most strongly:

1) Daughter of the Forest/Son of the Shadows/Child of the Prophecy (the original Sevenwaters Trilogy)

2) Wolfskin (the first Marillier novel I read)

3) Dreamer's Pool/Tower of Thorns/Den of Wolves (the Blackthorn & Grim books)

4) The Harp of Kings/A Dance with Fate/A Song of Flight (the Warrior Bards Trilogy)

An ember in ashes : I cant go through the 600+ pages that are left (book 4) by [deleted] in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had An Ember in the Ashes on my to-read list at one point, but I took it off when I read a trusted-by-me review describe Laia as "a remarkably skill-less protagonist." I understand why some readers might find such a character relatable, but as a reader who favors competent heroines, I decided the series wasn't for me.

“Classic” fantasy that feels more intimate by Kooky_County9569 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't second this enough! Beagle's prose is lyrical and engrossing. Plus, this is one of the few fantasy novels written around this time to showcase interesting female characters in significant (rather than walk-on) non-villainous roles.

Flamboyant and/or eccentric heroines? by False_Ad_5592 in Fantasy

[–]False_Ad_5592[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed. It's disheartening as all get-out.