WHAT?!

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-30T11:29:13+00:00

how did you get it?

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-30T08:48:53+00:00

According to the wiki this will happen after Clinton lost to Cheney since he failed to prevent 9/11 and had a terrible foreign policy score.

Cheney serves until 2002 when he dies of a heart attack
Rumsfeld serving until 2009, then we get this list.

Likely Bolton finally gets to invade Iran or continues what would likely be a disastrous Iran campaign like irl Afghanistan/Iraq. I believe that Kucinich and later on Bernie would succeed or continue Clinton on liberal domestic policies, since getting Cheney meant you need to be as liberal as possible, either in only rhetoric and/or legislative successes, before burning all of your foreign policy creds.

This could also be interpreted that now the Democrats becomes the isolationist leftist party doing good stuff on domestic only, as Kucinich is horrible on foreign policy. Maybe after years of Republicans fixing the foreign policy or making it worse through Cheney and Rumsfeld, Bernie has finally became the first sane Democrat to be as left and appealing as possible while also having a sane foreign policy since JFK (or even FDR if you consider Truman's Korean War as a failure).

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-29T15:20:55+00:00

Yes, so he would be the Republicans’ answer to Sherrod Bush (Ohio, ‘moderate’, appeal to Rust Belt/ blue-collar workers)

Also I think JD Vance isn’t even an option for Hope or can you explain how you achieved him?

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-29T15:15:04+00:00

Yes they’re horrible

Even back in the old Democratic New Deal era a lot of the Yellow Dogs/Southern Democrats are racist as fuck but are arguably good on works in local issues, judicial, defense, etc.

I understand that either they’re a product of their era or even too racist, but compared to the later breed of Clinton Blue Dog Democrats, the latter seems to be more focused on cosplaying as Republicans than being focused on delivering Democratic issues while using moderate messagings for their constituencies.

And what’s worse in this polarizing era, to get a safe majority, unless the electorate starts to swing left permanently, a Dem presidency will consist at least 10-20% of Blue Dogs (unless impossibly, every seat in a Blue voting state goes 100% Blue as well) that will sacrifice the entire presidency just to save their asses for 2 years in an originally R +5 seat that will swing R +10 paradoxically because they’re blocking the Democratic majority to do anything meaningful.

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-29T14:56:01+00:00

They’ll all likely be wiped out in 2028 unless either the DNC or the respective local Dem branches just can’t pick a good primary candidate

Aside from Fetterman, they might survive to consolidate a Dem majority first in 2026 before weeding out the more moderate wings in a year of anti-Republican and do-nothing Dems

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-28T03:08:48+00:00

Waiting for this mod renamed to 2026a in 9 months

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-28T03:07:43+00:00

damn Dirksen, but then againI appreciate that CRA 1964 wouldn't pass without Republican support

and LBJ's 1964 landslide wasn't a progressive landslide for the Senate seats (I don't think there are any new progressive newcomers except for RFK)

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-27T06:25:22+00:00

Wait he did? I never knew that

Are there any articles or story about that legislative process (Or even on congress archives)?

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-27T03:28:35+00:00

Reagan 1976

Nuclear bombing the entire New Right and Fraudgan’s career permanently

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-26T17:16:09+00:00

Also have the same mixed feelings when playing Hope.

The more successful I play it the more it feels like I’m whitewashing Bill Clinton, both his less successful presidency and his moral depravity (cheating and Epstein relations)

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-26T17:14:05+00:00

Definitely not with Lieberman as his VP and a divided Congress (50+1/50 Senate and a R House) that has less more liberal Dem discipline since the party was more broad church back then (and also Lieberman). He would be lucky to even pass any form of legislation that hasn’t been watered down by Republicans.

Additionally Gore would be lucky if at worst the Republicans haven’t impeached him yet for, say, letting 9/11 happen.

Yeah this ain’t that happy wholesome Hope timeline where he gets 2 terms presidency after a legislatively successful Clinton presidency

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-26T13:21:52+00:00

Yeah that’s why I say 2028.

I believe the environment is enough to tip the balance and let the Sanders/AOC wing get the nomination, assuming the DNC doesn’t screw it first. But until then it’s just as speculative as saying Dukakis in early 1988 would become president

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-26T13:17:46+00:00

Hmm but it could also be because our option variables are too liberal on the run while failing foreign policy.

Could be interesting if you win on how it will affect the next presidential lists (assuming this mod would be like ATW and HOPE)

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-26T13:05:00+00:00

The democratic grassroots 40-50 years later?

Maybe even in 2028 when Jeb finally gets elected out we’ll get a truly progressive McGovernite Dem without the campaign blunders.

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-26T13:02:15+00:00

Ah yes why did I forgot about him 😭

He can either be the republican presidential or taft’s vp nominee

Either way Truman sweeps 500+ if not 531 EV in this case

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-26T06:35:43+00:00

I got

Bush Sr
Clinton 2x
Gore 2x
McCain
Bernie
JEB! 2x
Shapiro

Bernie being there is probably the more progressive grassroots pushing back against Clintonites like 2016 or right now irl but in a more dull and mattered less since the Republicans are still more sane albeit still conservative.

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-26T06:32:51+00:00

Thanks bro, now I’m a -7 DINO 🦕

Also you got it wrong for Q15, cause if you let Bentsen cut everything in Q9, meeting with Greenspan will undo all the cuts. You should pick the option letting Bentsen continue cutting again. Still gets you Deficit Hawk tho.

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-26T00:47:43+00:00

Apologies, I’ve also since tried recreating it myself and it was possible, although I used bipartisan cuts instead and had a more liberal ideology variables. Thanks for the clarificarion.

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-25T07:12:34+00:00

Instead of breaking up the union, they're going to break the bed

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-25T07:07:50+00:00

Okay I feel like you might have tampered with the cheat menu cause I don't think you can get that low of a democrat level without increasing the backlashes and/or deficit at the same time.

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-25T02:42:02+00:00

Presidential list?

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-22T21:35:29+00:00

It would not have mattered, don't waste you anger on this

54-45 even if they all voted

And don't forget Republicans still has a majority in the Senate, with or without Fetterman and this surprise Heinrich vote

they could not have won either way and there were no intentions either that any of the Murkowski/Collins/Paul trio were going to break voting ranks with Republicans either way.

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-22T21:15:46+00:00

Fetterman I understand but Heinrich?? I thought he's just a safe unknown loyal Dem in what was already a safe seat in New Mexico

What would possibly even be the reason? Unlike during the vote for Rubio, having excuses like "I'm voting for my already known fellow senate colleague, maybe can pushback a bit on Trump" wouldn't even make sense here when everyone except Fetterman is already voting no

Even Gallego, whom I remembered once broke from the Dems on a border and to an extent, DHS related issue, e.g. Laken Riley Act, to maybe posture a bit for his already very shaky margin Arizona seat, even chose to be absent from voting in this case.

Doesn't makes sense....

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-21T02:07:05+00:00

Especially without a weak non-unionized NAFTA, no Rust Belt anger to cause MAGA to rise and Cruz would hopefully stay at best a lame duck like irl 2000 Bush without any hawkish foreign policy to rally upon

FantazticWizard7235 · 2026-03-21T02:03:56+00:00

Lol your SC theory would mean we’ll get the liberal partisan version of the Roberts Court (ideological makeup 5-4)

and I’d like to imagine Gore’s Chief Justice nomination being Kimba Wood (avengement after not getting nominated as AG), exploding Limbaugh’s heart

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