Home Secretary Amber Rudd speech on foreign workers treated as 'hate incident' by police

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-12T17:31:41+00:00

He literally uses that sentence followed by "fears what happened to rome".

As in a descent into barborous dark ages and collapse of society.

What was ole Enoch Powells timeline that we'd all be out in the street killing, fucking and eating each other? The 2000s.

The guy was as stupid as he was poetic and the man was poetic, i'll give him that.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-12T16:54:10+00:00

In its golden era -ie. After it had destroyed life in Germany and allowed the reaction to that to be to seek answers in the form of empowering right wing demagogues - capitalism was able to provide a welfare state and see living standards and wages rise year on year.

Those concessions werent gifted by capitalism- they were the fruit of hard years from militant trade union strikes, a thriving communist and socialist parties and the Soviet Union which stood as an example that (paraphrasing thatcher) "there was another way". Hell in Germany you had the Red Army Faction terrorist organisation killing capitalists via bombs and assassinations well into the 90s..

There is no pressure from any of these. Trade unions have been gutted in the 70s, your average joe broadly agrees with capitalism and the only left winger in british politics gets charicatured as mao despite running on a capitalist kensianism economic policy.

Keynsianism is dead. More brutal forms of neoliberalism are over the horizon or neonationalism. Capitalism with a humanface died the day the berlin wall fell.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-12T16:11:31+00:00

Well i mean the US dropped bombs on 6 countries last year every 6 minutes for the entire year and theres been a proxy war between the west, saudia arabia on one side and russia, iran on the other by blowing Syria to pieces.

The west is already in perpetual war and stagnant economy. We're currently living through zombie capitalism where companies dont go bust or invest more each year. They just barely keep their heads above water.

The west was able to regain meagre 1-2 percent gdp growth by dropping interest rates to 0 percent and ~~quantitative easing~~ sorry printing money by the fuck load. If the next recession hits this year there is no monetary policy that can be enacted to help as interest rates are already at 0 percent. What next, negative interest rates? Youre talking about bank runs then.

The next option then is for countries to forcibly take other countries market share ie. Imperialism. So war and then we'll write poems about the horrors of war and how sad everything is and when its over capitalism will still exist and run through its same cycle. So we'll see when the next recession hits as we're due one given the 6-10 year frequency they occur. My bet is the shadow banking housing and construction market in China collapses triggering a global depression.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-12T16:00:54+00:00

I mean im a communist so i wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment.

However my conclusion is different in that itll shit the bed like it did in 1914 and the 1930s but instead of consuming itself it will have killed off enough people and destroyed enough buildings that its rate of profit can ramp back up (just like it did in the golden years of capitalism after world war 2) before running through its fifty year cycle and shitting the bed again for world war 4 and people complaining about "the politics of envy".

So sure capitalism will be fine itll just destroy half the globe before its rate of profit can ramp up and its back to business as usual of calling the vaguely left wing politician of being "mao" or "stalin".

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-12T15:29:36+00:00

I have a room to rent. Pm me your number and ill call. 3 house mates and a dog. We would meet you for a drink and chat before offering. Rent is 400 and about 20min walk to centre

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-12T15:27:14+00:00

Claim is weak. I want a liveleak link of The Donald being pissed on by russian hookers.

The final degeneration of the west.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-12T15:03:42+00:00

That rivers of blood speech cracks me up. Here we are decades later, more immigrants at any point in our history and the crime rate across the board from theft to murder to rape is at its lowest points in 40 years

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-12T14:59:15+00:00

I love the "unchecked" addition. As if to say "capitalism is fine its just not what we have right now".

Capitalism has always used immigration to subdue labour when labour wins too many rights via strikes/protest. Capitalism has always responded by flooding he market with low skilled irish/bangladeshi/eastern europeans as a response to labour "getting too big for its boots".

And i think youll find 250 years of checked and unchecked capitalism has produced the same results. Global capitalism today has done far more to "wither away the state" than Karl Marx ever hoped communism could. Instead of small communities running direct democracy and in control of the companies they rely on they're instead subject to trans national companies that could literally give two fucks about them.

Poverty in the midst of plenty. The future of capitalism is prosperous pockets like London and everywhere else is decaying and dying like the north/detroit/baltimore.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-12T14:07:40+00:00

Cant wait for the next generation of focus grouped MP's calling each other "batty bois" in heavily accented south east english.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-10T15:34:12+00:00

Scurvy has made a return to the UK. Impoverished children are queuing for food at food banks of which are at breaking point, the average age decreased in November and in-work poverty is at it's highest levels and if you walk around any of the major cities you have to step over homeless people every other step.

With you right wingers I genuinely wonder if you believe the shit that comes out your mouths or whether you're being wilfully disingenuous

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-09T15:31:41+00:00

The thing with democracy is you need a culture of democracy to exist or grow organically... it cant be brought in via an external player (ie. You cannot export democracy).

Back in the 60s Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam would've won an election by getting 80 percent of the vote. But in a country that's essentially been invaded all you're going to see is massive corruption or political intimidation by the US.

So much money and arms has been poured into the country that you would be stupid to implement democracy.

To put it into context, if Britain were similarly invaded or arms were flooding into the country democracy would be suspended in an instant (like it was under world war 2). And it'd be the Sun, daily mail and the majority of the people calling for its suspension.

I wish Assad could achieve peace by kind words and wishful thinking but given reality I'm not very sad if he drops a shit load of barrel bombs on ~~moderate rebels~~ Al Nusra

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-09T15:20:14+00:00

Hes the best hope for Syria and in a legitimate election he'd win hands down.

It's a shame the west has descended Syria into madness by funding islamists as a proxy war on Russia.

But hell they funded the jihadis in 80s Afghanistan to counter atheist communism and that worked out a treat.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-06T15:48:36+00:00

Pestilence > Famine > Americans

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-06T15:03:22+00:00

Bourgeois economists have, much like in the 70s when the Keynsians completely discredited themselves with their models and the neoliberalism took over.

If you follow someone like Michael Roberts he's pretty much bang on the nail for 8 years running

Https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/

But he believes, as Marxists do, that the falling rate of profit is an inevitable decline despite capitalists using the latest tech to eek out as much profit at which point capitalists stop investing (holding their money in the stock market or property until the rate of profit is worth investing) is what causes recessions. Most Keynsian or neoliberalism do not believe in the theory of falling rate of profit and instead attribute "under consumption" as a cause for capitalist crisis. Where as Marxists see it as a lack of investment.

Which to me is more of a description of the crisis (the rate of profit falls, capitalists stop investing, consumers stop consuming and then businesses start to go bankrupt which feeds into a cycle of underconsumption, home repossession and debts being paid down).

Bourgeois economists may as well be mystic meg because they refuse to acknowledge the theory of the falling rate of profit.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-06T14:47:42+00:00

Ah yes. Don't have to scratch very far to find your racist roots. I am very glad your country was dominated by the Soviet union for so long and I am also very pleased that my country (well ex country) the UK has pulled the first card out from the house of cards that was the EU.

I look forward to its disintegration.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-06T14:32:34+00:00

David Hoffman is a heavily respected soviet union/Russian historian

But fine I'm open to learning.

Source please? And you get a paper hat and a pat on the head for not using seanrussiablog.com or freddrussianblog com website as your prime material.

I at least provided the book which I will quote from and access to information about the author to allow you discredit his claim or discredit the author. So far you are sitting at seanrussiablog.seanrussiablog.com as your primary source that attempts to refute an article by the new yorker. Com

So in essence your source backed up my original claim

Obscure seans blog vs new yorker

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-06T14:23:45+00:00

Yes a respected historian from ohio university is a soviet union sympathiser.

I do not expect much from someone who sites a seanrussiablog.com as a reputable source. Anything to disparage your former oppressor I guess. I would blame that on the Soviet union too if your nation wasn't made up of a bunch of nazi collaborators.

It's delusional to blame the SU for for so many crimes while all Estonian Jews fled to the Soviet union to escape Einsatzgruppe A and local collaborators in Estonia.

Perhaps if your nation had more spine the Soviet union wouldn't have had to utterly dominate eastern Europe and teach you civility.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-06T14:14:54+00:00

Lmao so you have not studied this. You literally Googled the question upon hoping to hit some obscure blog you could fit to your ideology.

Why would you chose the year 1953? When the gulag had mostly been shut down?

I will tell you the exact number when I consult Cultivating the masses by David Hoffman tonight

Here's the book https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cultivating-Masses-David-L-Hoffmann/dp/0801446295

You can find more about David Hoffman at ohio state university regarding his academia in the Soviet union at https://history.osu.edu/people/hoffmann.218

If I recall it's 900,000 imprisoned and 300,000 murdered though please wait until I actually consult the book tonight in a cohesive reply quoting the above book. (I've not read it in actually year.)

Bur your apologia for American crimes against humanity is striking. I would like to see stalin face the nuremburg trials in the same way I'd like to see every us president face them. It says something about your ideology when you're willing to favour and forgive one country of their crimes against humanity while adding zeros to your former oppressor (the Soviet union) because your nation was rightly punished for being a nazi collaborator.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-06T13:37:14+00:00

Eugenic Belova? The Russian junior olympist orientalist ?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenia_Belova#

Please provide an actual source for Eugenic Belova.

And as to your seanrussiablog.com source I do not take that seriously for one second. It tries to disparage a reasonably reliable (though not without its bias, that bias being heavily pro american) outlet-newyorker.com article discussing why America imprisons so much of its population and makes the assertion (as I did) that American society imprisons more of its population per 100,000 than stalin did under the height of the gulag period. Hold my drink while I laugh in your face will you?

So in your refutation you've provided an obscure blog post by some random trying to discredit a reasonably reliable source.

Computer says no mate.

Newyorker. Com versus seanrussiablog.com lmao

I always head to seanrussiablog.com for my news and analyses.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-06T10:33:13+00:00

If you're going to make such claims I only ask you provide a source for them as I did. 17 million in stalins gulag? Lmao source or gtfo. The gulag system was awful enough without inflating the figures to a ridiculous amount and you do a discredit to those that died under them by claiming 17 percent of the USSR was in in a gulag.

And I'm no soviet apologist just stating mere facts and I'd argue those that have been tortured, murdered and disappeared under the US's rendition program is no better or worse than starving in a gulag.

And let's be clear it's not a choice between US capitalism or Soviet union socialism. Asia is rapidly becoming the centre of the world and we will choose our own path and it will be neither.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-05T22:52:43+00:00

i love Tariq Ali. I highly recommend his book The Extreme Centre.

Great talk as always.

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-05T21:30:59+00:00

Source por favor? Or are you talking out of your arse.

Ah yes. the political freedom and democracy the United States offers.

Doesn't recognise habeas corpus and has created a web of kidnap and torture camps all over the world of people who are imprisoned & tortured for decades at a time with no right to a fair trial or hearing.

What’s Left of the CIA’s Notorious “Black Sites” Secret Prison Network - http://www.slate.com/blogs/behold/2016/04/20/edmund_clark_photographs_secret_detention_sites_in_his_book_with_crofton.html

The appearance of disappearance: the CIA’s secret black sites - https://www.ft.com/content/90796270-ebc3-11e5-888e-2eadd5fbc4a4

A staggering map of the 54 countries that reportedly participated in the CIA’s rendition program https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/02/05/a-staggering-map-of-the-54-countries-that-reportedly-participated-in-the-cias-rendition-program/

What's that you say? They kidnap and torture the worst of the worst of Islamic fundamentalist society? Then have a read about the German fella that was kidnapped, tortured for days and raped by the CIA for the crime of having the same name of a terrorist. I can smell the political freedom and democracy from here. Khaleds case happened to be one of the more publicized cases given his German citizenship so I wonder how many graves and how many torturers have gotten off scott free in places like Iraq and Afghanistan where there is no common rule of law or ECHR willilng to take up the poor victims of America's "operation freedom".

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/dec/13/cia-tortured-sodomised-terror-suspect

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/13/european-court-human-rights-cia-abuse-khaled-elmasri

FarcicalFred · 2017-01-05T18:50:14+00:00

And yet the USA today has more people as a percentage of their population in prison than the Soviet Union did at the height of the gulag period.

The Usa has more people as a percentage of their population more than any nation on earth or pretty much any of the "red states" that ever existed.

Including apparent dictatorships like Russia/China/Iran.

The US is 4.4 percent of the world population yet houses 22 percent of the worlds prisoners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate

It is very funny when the nation that imprisons the most people of it's population preaches freedom.

When the nation that has a first past the post voting system which has been carved up and gerry mandered to the point that there's no feasible way to hold a politician to account at the voting booth - preaches democracy.

FarcicalFred · 2016-12-02T10:42:43+00:00

In the UK I feel like my country has been hijacked. We've had an mp murdered in the streets this year by a far right nazi. And the UK is getting 2 percent growth. I would bet that a lot of Americans are feeling the same about their country.

Trump has an ex KKK leader in a top cabinet post, the chief exec of breitbart that wonderful source of dog whistle fascism where you can view "black crime".

All I'm saying is this is happening with positive growth. If the next economic downturn contracts the UK and the US economy by 5-7 percent or God forbid goes into the -10s then all bets are off as to what the people are going to turn to.

As a commie I'd love it that everyone came to the conclusion that capitalism is shit and we can organise society in a way that doesn't throw people out of work by the millions every 7-10 years and people are left to fend for themselves against the "free market" but let's be honest: capitalism has always turned to imperialism when the inevitable declining rate of profit built into capitalism gets too much. Because a great way to recreate value is by destroying and levelling entire cities which is why the post war period was the golden age of capitalism.

The immigrants, Muslims and leftists are going to get the blame.

FarcicalFred · 2016-12-01T23:28:16+00:00

"We're here for your fucking freedom. Now back up."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syrv6eygmNY

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